Metagame Analysis

Welcome to Advanced Robot Combat. We hope you enjoy your visit.

You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.

Join our community!

If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features.

Pages:
1
2
3
…
7

Metagame Analysis
Topic Started: Feb 7 2011, 11:37 PM (2,085 Views)
Siphai	Feb 9 2011, 11:17 PM Post #21
The Guy Posts: 4,069 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 13, 2006	Fish Of Doom Feb 9 2011, 11:12 PM Uh Oh It's a Red Hot Fridge!!! was made specifically to make fun of all of the rammers abusing the +2 rule. I almost, almost brought him back instead of Blood Thirsty. I probably should have. Barrier was a pretty big abuser too, considering all those hinged wedges, and the idea that a hinge could actually be ripped off in spite of an armor score of like 8 or whatever is just unthinkable.
	Team Targeted - (36-12) Robot Bastards Dr. P: 4-8 Square Wave: 11-1 Snijmachine: 10-2 Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1


Siphai	Feb 9 2011, 11:19 PM Post #22
The Guy Posts: 4,069 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 13, 2006	haha I'm looking over old stats and Striker has even more bullshit stats than Tank did Speed: 10 Torque: 2 Weapon: 6 Armor: 4
	Team Targeted - (36-12) Robot Bastards Dr. P: 4-8 Square Wave: 11-1 Snijmachine: 10-2 Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1


Siphai	Feb 9 2011, 11:23 PM Post #23
The Guy Posts: 4,069 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 13, 2006	The amount of rammers with a speed of around 9 during Revolution is fucking insane. Ugh and to top it off that was the season we had that bullshit pin in the middle of the arena haha.
	Team Targeted - (36-12) Robot Bastards Dr. P: 4-8 Square Wave: 11-1 Snijmachine: 10-2 Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1


Area51Escapee	Feb 10 2011, 12:16 AM Post #24
Root Admin Wannabe Posts: 2,204 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 4, 2006	Siphai Feb 10 2011, 04:19 AM haha I'm looking over old stats and Striker has even more bullshit stats than Tank did Speed: 10 Torque: 2 Weapon: 6 Armor: 4 Haha, I know. It was so hilarious that I was able to get away with stats like that back in Revolution.
	"If you're talking about time travelling bunnies...then yes." - Ben, LOST


BEES	Feb 10 2011, 02:21 AM Post #25
I've never lived by anyone's rules but my own. Posts: 1,850 Group: Global Moderator Member #17 Joined: September 14, 2006	worth pointing out that all 3 spinners that are doing well are using the exact same strategy: fuck traction being a hockey puck is the only way you stand a chance also both of the high-powered vertical spinners are terrible. I don't think that design strategy is viable right now.



NFX	Feb 10 2011, 02:25 AM Post #26
Fuck Bitches Get Crystals Posts: 4,044 Group: Admin Member #78 Joined: December 8, 2010	If that's the case, maybe combining Traction into the self-KO equation as well might prevent some of the high-powered spinners pinballing about. I reckon the breakthrough rule about armour might need refining as well, personally. To start with, I though that you removed however many Weapon points you had from the opponent's Armour stat, and that was the amount of hits it would take to break through.
	Team Mongoose (358-215) "The Colour of Awesome" Braveheart / Crash Blossom / Depth Charge / Broken Ghost / Murder Death Unit / Agent X RoBattle Override - 13 pts MiDAS - 12 pts it was a gigantic masturbation of polygons :v - That Kode Guy


BEES	Feb 10 2011, 02:47 AM Post #27
I've never lived by anyone's rules but my own. Posts: 1,850 Group: Global Moderator Member #17 Joined: September 14, 2006	i still think traction will wind up the same way torque did What's 1 traction? Ginsu? Ginsu got around the arena just fine. That frees up some very valuable points for the weapon.



NWOWWE	Feb 10 2011, 07:17 AM Post #28
Team Blood Gulch Motto Posts: 6,822 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 3, 2006	Spatula Feb 10 2011, 02:21 AM worth pointing out that all 3 spinners that are doing well are using the exact same strategy: fuck traction being a hockey puck is the only way you stand a chance also both of the high-powered vertical spinners are terrible. I don't think that design strategy is viable right now. Fuck, I totally should have brought back Rooster Teeth then...
	Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011 01:27 AM Spatula,Jan 29 2011 11:32 PM I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5. It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.


Siphai	Feb 10 2011, 10:11 AM Post #29
The Guy Posts: 4,069 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 13, 2006	Spatula Feb 10 2011, 02:47 AM i still think traction will wind up the same way torque did What's 1 traction? Ginsu? Ginsu got around the arena just fine. That frees up some very valuable points for the weapon. maybe for spinners, but it will still be 'nerf' for rammers. Skate's 10 speed, 5 traction disparity is an example of this.
	Team Targeted - (36-12) Robot Bastards Dr. P: 4-8 Square Wave: 11-1 Snijmachine: 10-2 Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1


NFX	Feb 10 2011, 11:39 AM Post #30
Fuck Bitches Get Crystals Posts: 4,044 Group: Admin Member #78 Joined: December 8, 2010	I still think that spinners might be abusing low traction a little bit. If we made it so that the ratio between the Weapon power of a spinner and its Traction determined how much it rotated while trying to drive in a straight line, that might help a little.
	Team Mongoose (358-215) "The Colour of Awesome" Braveheart / Crash Blossom / Depth Charge / Broken Ghost / Murder Death Unit / Agent X RoBattle Override - 13 pts MiDAS - 12 pts it was a gigantic masturbation of polygons :v - That Kode Guy


Siphai	Feb 10 2011, 12:34 PM Post #31
The Guy Posts: 4,069 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 13, 2006	NFX Feb 10 2011, 11:39 AM I still think that spinners might be abusing low traction a little bit. If we made it so that the ratio between the Weapon power of a spinner and its Traction determined how much it rotated while trying to drive in a straight line, that might help a little. That doesn't make sense for it though. I don't think theyre abusing it that much, it's just that the ricochet for a hit probably won't send anyone into the wall if they stay in the middle of the arena.
	Team Targeted - (36-12) Robot Bastards Dr. P: 4-8 Square Wave: 11-1 Snijmachine: 10-2 Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1


BEES	Feb 10 2011, 01:47 PM Post #32
I've never lived by anyone's rules but my own. Posts: 1,850 Group: Global Moderator Member #17 Joined: September 14, 2006	how about just speed/weapon/armor seriouspost what's wrong with that? that's paper/scissors/rock right there. All traction does is force you to spend more points if you want to be fast. That's easy for robots that don't have a weapon-based strategy, and impossible for robots that do.



NFX	Feb 10 2011, 01:56 PM Post #33
Fuck Bitches Get Crystals Posts: 4,044 Group: Admin Member #78 Joined: December 8, 2010	Because you then have to factor in pushing ability and how grippy the machine is somehow. Maybe the choice between pneumatic, foam or solid tyres might help somehow, and possibly to do with the number of wheels as well. For instance, pneumatic tyres could have high grip/controlability but low pushing power, solid wheels could be the reverse, and foam filled tyres could be in the middle. The more wheels you have, the more pushing power you have, at the cost of manouverability.
	Team Mongoose (358-215) "The Colour of Awesome" Braveheart / Crash Blossom / Depth Charge / Broken Ghost / Murder Death Unit / Agent X RoBattle Override - 13 pts MiDAS - 12 pts it was a gigantic masturbation of polygons :v - That Kode Guy


Siphai	Feb 10 2011, 02:05 PM Post #34
The Guy Posts: 4,069 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 13, 2006	NFX Feb 10 2011, 01:56 PM Because you then have to factor in pushing ability and how grippy the machine is somehow. Maybe the choice between pneumatic, foam or solid tyres might help somehow, and possibly to do with the number of wheels as well. For instance, pneumatic tyres could have high grip/controlability but low pushing power, solid wheels could be the reverse, and foam filled tyres could be in the middle. The more wheels you have, the more pushing power you have, at the cost of manouverability. I suppose that might be a better system, making traction a more abstract thing that Must Be Described in your stats. I mean, Nick was right when he said that Everyone Needs Traction and that Everyone Is Going To Have Traction, so you might as well make it a separate category that doesn't require points, but has its own trade-offs and limitations. Number of wheels and type of wheels fall into that.
	Team Targeted - (36-12) Robot Bastards Dr. P: 4-8 Square Wave: 11-1 Snijmachine: 10-2 Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1


BEES	Feb 10 2011, 03:20 PM Post #35
I've never lived by anyone's rules but my own. Posts: 1,850 Group: Global Moderator Member #17 Joined: September 14, 2006	NFX Feb 10 2011, 01:56 PM Because you then have to factor in pushing ability and how grippy the machine is somehow. Traction isn't something that relates easily to weight allotment. All the robots weigh the same and they'll put the same amount of force on their wheels regardless of how much the wheels weigh. It's a retarded category please get rid of it.



Siphai	Feb 10 2011, 03:23 PM Post #36
The Guy Posts: 4,069 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 13, 2006	Spatula Feb 10 2011, 03:20 PM NFX Feb 10 2011, 01:56 PM Because you then have to factor in pushing ability and how grippy the machine is somehow. Traction isn't something that relates easily to weight allotment. All the robots weigh the same and they'll put the same amount of force on their wheels regardless of how much the wheels weigh. It's a retarded category please get rid of it. ill get rid of you nerd
	Team Targeted - (36-12) Robot Bastards Dr. P: 4-8 Square Wave: 11-1 Snijmachine: 10-2 Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1


NFX	Feb 10 2011, 03:33 PM Post #37
Fuck Bitches Get Crystals Posts: 4,044 Group: Admin Member #78 Joined: December 8, 2010	It's only called traction for the sake of simplicity. It was torque, which determined pushing ability alone, then it was turned into a more all-encompassing stat determining pushability and overall control. I think ti works well like this, but it seems to be developing into a bit of a problem when given numbers to play with.
	Team Mongoose (358-215) "The Colour of Awesome" Braveheart / Crash Blossom / Depth Charge / Broken Ghost / Murder Death Unit / Agent X RoBattle Override - 13 pts MiDAS - 12 pts it was a gigantic masturbation of polygons :v - That Kode Guy


NWOWWE	Feb 10 2011, 03:44 PM Post #38
Team Blood Gulch Motto Posts: 6,822 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 3, 2006	Ugh... enough about the ARC stat system. This is the last bleedin' ARC tournament, so it's all moot. Start your own tourny and show us how it's done.
	Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011 01:27 AM Spatula,Jan 29 2011 11:32 PM I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5. It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.


Siphai	Feb 10 2011, 03:53 PM Post #39
The Guy Posts: 4,069 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 13, 2006	NWOWWE Feb 10 2011, 03:44 PM Ugh... enough about the ARC stat system. This is the last bleedin' ARC tournament, so it's all moot. Start your own tourny and show us how it's done. Stop analyzing things in the analysis thread?
	Team Targeted - (36-12) Robot Bastards Dr. P: 4-8 Square Wave: 11-1 Snijmachine: 10-2 Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1


BEES	Feb 10 2011, 04:10 PM Post #40
I've never lived by anyone's rules but my own. Posts: 1,850 Group: Global Moderator Member #17 Joined: September 14, 2006	NWOWWE Feb 10 2011, 03:44 PM Ugh... enough about the ARC stat system. This is the last bleedin' ARC tournament, so it's all moot. Start your own tourny and show us how it's done. please... we know it's not the last deep down we all sort of know it'll be back some day



1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)

Free Forums. Reliable service with over 8 years of experience. Learn More · Sign-up for Free
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Fantasy All Access · Next Topic »

Pages:
1
2
3
…
7