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Bot-O-Rama 2016 - Discussion
Topic Started: Dec 29 2015, 01:03 AM (3,782 Views)
scorpion1m
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two losses and may i ask when the next round will be posted
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The_Angry_Goat
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I hate to be that guy (ok no I really dont :v: ), but do we have an ETA on the missing matches?
‽ ROBOTICS (180 - 88 lifetime)

Ruination 4
Nick's Fuzzy Rules: 7-1
Glitch: 5-3
Hazardous Waste Removal: 6-2
Khnum: 4-4


ROBOT2
Hat Garage: 0-0
Lilian: 0-0
Blue Max: 0-0
Neuromancer: 0-0

"giant fucking dinosaur" is in my top 5 picks to win the nut ~V900
So you're saying no arenas that fill the driver booths with powerful hallucinogenic gas that argle bargle THE ENEMY'S GATE IS SIDEWAYS ~ Rocket III
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Hooray For Lexan
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Hopefully by tomorrow. The results for the missing matches were written in a way that wasn't consistent with either ARC rules, bot descriptions, or the arena. Hopefully things will be sorted out soon.
"you can give a fuck, just don't give too much of a fuck. there's an optimal level of fuckiness, and if you exceed your fuck quota you'll burn out."

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Hooray For Lexan
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All right, the last of the results are up! Congratulations to The_Angry_Goat and Badnik96!

Welp, I can't say I'm not disappointed with Ahlspiess's performance in its first match. Unfortunately, I made two major mistakes in that match.

1. I should have gone for the sides more. As it turns out, my spike will go through the front plate of Sling Shot's flipper, but the structure underneath is pretty solid. Also, that flywheel flipper exerts an enormous amount of force when it fires, enough to bend my spike when it's jammed into the flipper. Ahlspiess's spike no longer fully retracts, and will have to be swapped for a spare.

2. I should have put threadlock on the screws holding the outer side plates to the frame instead of just relying on washers. Being repeatedly flipped caused the screws to loosen, and while they didn't fall out, Ahlspiess's structure relies on the standoffs being heavily pre-loaded. With the screws loose, the standoffs bent pretty easily. One side of the drivetrain got jammed, and the structure on the other side flexed so much that the chain connecting the front and back wheels derailed. By the end of the match, I was just limping along on the back left wheel!
"you can give a fuck, just don't give too much of a fuck. there's an optimal level of fuckiness, and if you exceed your fuck quota you'll burn out."

- BEES

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NoiseyGiraffe
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1-1 on my ARC debut isn't bad. Congrats Angry Goat for a good fight. Now time to see what Nurse Killjoy can do.
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Badnik96
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
I'm glad that Sling Shot won and all, but it seems like my RP wasn't read past "play it safe". In the match I make no effort to avoid the spike at all. What gives?
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to answer TNS's question that he posted in the RP thread (which is for RPs only :P )

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Isn't the spinning of the not-drum not actually a weapon? Didn't he state as such in his sign-up?


it's not a weapon, but it still needs to be powered according to the rules. I believe GF93 ran into this issue with Conqueror I's air suspension (see this post in his showcase thread for what I mean). Annoying Box Rush also had to allocate a weapon point to the clutch for its forks when it added that, so I would assume that a rotating object on a robot, even if it isn't for offensive purposes, would have to have points given to it. and the points given were not specified, so multiple weapons rule!


I'm happy I won (well tried Noisy Giraffe), but I'm rather disappointed that I added insult to injury in my fight, because to be perfectly honest, I'm not much of one to do that. It has a tendency to back-fire on people who try to do it, and I see it as a bit rude. Plus Oh Geeze I'm Terribly Sorry I Didn't Mean to Flip Your Robot Over doesnt have enough power to flip opponents into the dead zone :v:
Edited by The_Angry_Goat, Mar 1 2016, 04:12 PM.
‽ ROBOTICS (180 - 88 lifetime)

Ruination 4
Nick's Fuzzy Rules: 7-1
Glitch: 5-3
Hazardous Waste Removal: 6-2
Khnum: 4-4


ROBOT2
Hat Garage: 0-0
Lilian: 0-0
Blue Max: 0-0
Neuromancer: 0-0

"giant fucking dinosaur" is in my top 5 picks to win the nut ~V900
So you're saying no arenas that fill the driver booths with powerful hallucinogenic gas that argle bargle THE ENEMY'S GATE IS SIDEWAYS ~ Rocket III
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it's not a weapon, but it still needs to be powered according to the rules. I believe GF93 ran into this issue with Conqueror I's air suspension (see this post in his showcase thread for what I mean). Annoying Box Rush also had to allocate a weapon point to the clutch for its forks when it added that, so I would assume that a rotating object on a robot, even if it isn't for offensive purposes, would have to have points given to it. and the points given were not specified, so multiple weapons rule!


I think using the multiple weapons rule would put it over the limit for a sportsman spinning object anyway.

Unless Hiicantpk says otherwise, I'd consider the adjustable drum to have an effective power of 1, since it sounds like he just has a stepper motor or something to change which set of "teeth" is facing downward.


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I'm happy I won (well tried Noisy Giraffe), but I'm rather disappointed that I added insult to injury in my fight, because to be perfectly honest, I'm not much of one to do that. It has a tendency to back-fire on people who try to do it, and I see it as a bit rude. Plus Oh Geeze I'm Terribly Sorry I Didn't Mean to Flip Your Robot Over doesnt have enough power to flip opponents into the dead zone :v:


Eh, 3 power = 18 inches above top of stroke, and your stroke looks like at least 6 inches. You can just BARELY get it over the wall under ideal conditions, which you had.
"you can give a fuck, just don't give too much of a fuck. there's an optimal level of fuckiness, and if you exceed your fuck quota you'll burn out."

- BEES

Trihunter on V900's New Undercutter:

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The_Angry_Goat
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Mar 1 2016, 11:37 PM
Unless Hiicantpk says otherwise, I'd consider the adjustable drum to have an effective power of 1, since it sounds like he just has a stepper motor or something to change which set of "teeth" is facing downward.

If that's the case, I'll be needing to adjust my strategy, since that was not what I had planned for

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Eh, 3 power = 18 inches above top of stroke, and your stroke looks like at least 6 inches. You can just BARELY get it over the wall under ideal conditions, which you had.


It's actually 6 1/2 inches :P . the OOTA wall is shorter than I thought :v:
‽ ROBOTICS (180 - 88 lifetime)

Ruination 4
Nick's Fuzzy Rules: 7-1
Glitch: 5-3
Hazardous Waste Removal: 6-2
Khnum: 4-4


ROBOT2
Hat Garage: 0-0
Lilian: 0-0
Blue Max: 0-0
Neuromancer: 0-0

"giant fucking dinosaur" is in my top 5 picks to win the nut ~V900
So you're saying no arenas that fill the driver booths with powerful hallucinogenic gas that argle bargle THE ENEMY'S GATE IS SIDEWAYS ~ Rocket III
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The_Angry_Goat
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ok strategy fixed :v:
‽ ROBOTICS (180 - 88 lifetime)

Ruination 4
Nick's Fuzzy Rules: 7-1
Glitch: 5-3
Hazardous Waste Removal: 6-2
Khnum: 4-4


ROBOT2
Hat Garage: 0-0
Lilian: 0-0
Blue Max: 0-0
Neuromancer: 0-0

"giant fucking dinosaur" is in my top 5 picks to win the nut ~V900
So you're saying no arenas that fill the driver booths with powerful hallucinogenic gas that argle bargle THE ENEMY'S GATE IS SIDEWAYS ~ Rocket III
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Looks like Redneck Alimony Payment will get a forfeit win. That sucks, but at the end of the day that paves the way for me to get into the playoffs with RAM. Unless Brian shows back up(I hope!!!) it looks like Group B may come down to Redneck Alimony Payment and Sister Sledge. No slight to Playzooki, but I don't think his bot has the armor to survive against the other two.

Edit: Whoops, I didn't realize Bolt Thrower had already beaten Sister Sledge. Well, that sure makes things interesting now...
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Toxic
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Welp, disregard my entire post. Brian comes through in the eleventh hour. Damn, this is about to get crazy her ya'll.
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That Kode Guy
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I like to sneak my RPs in sometimes. :v:
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Mar 5 2016, 11:03 PM
Welp, disregard my entire post. Brian comes through in the eleventh hour. Damn, this is about to get crazy her ya'll.
Gotta be dramatic!
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Well, I pretty much expected that sort of result for DnB, especially given Wyvern's design and the well written RP by Gabe. I'm glad Database managed to survive papercuts, having 6 armour to his 14 weapon was really worrying. Unfortunate that Bunx lost, although HDiT had a good point about aggression points in his RP.

Hopefully Bunx can come back from this loss and Database can continue to win in week 4. I hope I can at least win one match with DnB, maybe against Answering Chord, but who knows.
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Remi IV: 1-1 (Lifetime 10-13)

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2-1 ain't bad. DNO put in a good showing, hopefully it can continue its winning ways. Papercuts was unfortunate, but I guess that's what happens when you can't self-right. I stand by my decision to give Neon 2 armor :v:
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That Kode Guy
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Ouch, good one Gabe.

Or that's what I'd say if I lost due to reasonable circumstances. :v: 2 direct hits to a 9-armoured disc from a 16-power shell would totally wreck that thing. It's well past max damage on the damage scale.

If I'd have been flipped by the first hit that would have been totally okay.
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The_Angry_Goat
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Well IDK how I beat Caldera, but hey, I'm happy with a 3-0 on the first round :v:
‽ ROBOTICS (180 - 88 lifetime)

Ruination 4
Nick's Fuzzy Rules: 7-1
Glitch: 5-3
Hazardous Waste Removal: 6-2
Khnum: 4-4


ROBOT2
Hat Garage: 0-0
Lilian: 0-0
Blue Max: 0-0
Neuromancer: 0-0

"giant fucking dinosaur" is in my top 5 picks to win the nut ~V900
So you're saying no arenas that fill the driver booths with powerful hallucinogenic gas that argle bargle THE ENEMY'S GATE IS SIDEWAYS ~ Rocket III
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The issue is, you weren't necessarily hitting the disc directly. Because your shell has a large diameter and a lot of mass, its rotational speed is low compared to his tiny disc. Your teeth are also an inch or so above the bottom lip of your shell judging by your bot's picture. This means as he slides under you your rim is scraping against his wedge, but your teeth aren't really hitting it. With these circumstances, there's a good chance of his disc hitting the the underside of your tooth, or at really high approach speeds with your shell at partial speed (e.g. the initial box rush), him sneaking by one tooth and hitting the rim of your shell before the other tooth gets into position.

The other issue is that even though weapon spinup time is basically independent of power, your robot has extremely low traction and a weapon with a very high MOI. This combination will result in the robot spinning its own chassis around during the first second or so when the weapon drivetrain is producing the most torque.

Basically, Buzzkill had quite a few factors in his favor which protected it from the full strength of Caldera's shell despite its low armor. A conventional VS or drum with the same stats would have lost its weapon on the first solid hit.

Anyway, I doubt this loss will keep Caldera out of the playoffs, unless Toxic comes up with a brilliant strategy or gets very lucky.
"you can give a fuck, just don't give too much of a fuck. there's an optimal level of fuckiness, and if you exceed your fuck quota you'll burn out."

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That Kode Guy
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The thing is, these specific physics have never really been applied in that big of a magnitude in ARC tournaments. The tournaments have been, to quote John aka StarlessSoldier:
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...designed as a way for those who cannot build bots to compete in an interesting way (if every single competitor built real bots we'd all look like douchebags for doing this). CFL was not designed for physicists or mechanical engineers, it was designed for regular guys, most of which are still in high school.
Maybe I'm being a bit unreasonable with this contrast, and if so then I'm sorry. If you're applying this stuff to your tournament, then I'm fine with it; everyone has their own methods when they create a tournament. But the bottom line is that you cannot ignore the CFL ruleset if you don't apply your own ruleset. As such, spin-up time has always been calculated by weapon power, and nowadays the greater the weapon power, the faster it manages to spin up regardless of diameter, center of gravity, or MOI. We've all done it like that. Bot-O-Rama's additional rules do not specify anything about dimensions, friction, or any sort of physics. This is why I am somewhat disgruntled by the result.

I'm not trying to make a big deal of this, but it just seems odd that you would use these physics when I've never seen it done before in a CFL/ARC tournament. Hell, maybe you're on to something and I've been writing matches wrong for years! I wouldn't doubt it. :v:

If anyone wants to weigh in, go ahead.
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