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FRR: Backlash - Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 20 2015, 12:54 AM (10,313 Views)
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2-2. Not bad, all things considered- somewhat annoyed that I got flipped again in LW (Though to be honest, Pyrite was always going to be ridiculously tough to beat with a spinner), but I'm happy to see Lyra get another win and Captain NRK finally win a legitimate fight.

And 4-0 for Lian as well thanks to my (And Nick F, thanks again for RPing Klarinette) late-night RPing, so that's a pretty nice commiseration prize. :P
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Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

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I know I should be happy with a 3-1, but... that loss, man. That hurts... and I hate to be like this but I should just stop RPing for Juno entirely, because this is just Solve et Coagula all over again, and the remaining schedule is just awful for her. :( Granted, I would be less salty if I didn't lose to Crusader like that early on, but... >__>'''

Speaking of which... I'm not usually like this about wins either, but I'm almost speechless that Tellu was held to a split decision, and I'd like to hear HDiT's rationale on that one.
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Basically, Tellu had a very slight damage advantage due to causing trivial damage (flips), and handily won strategy by controlling the match and because LK kept ramming without any effect, but due to Landkreuzer's speed and invertability it was able to just keep attacking - while Tellu was getting flips in a lot of them were in reaction to LK ramming you.

My general rationale is score judges' points the way the match happened. Toxic's shitty (no offense Toxic, but you had a speed advantage but decided to ram a flipper with a better wedge head-on) lost him the match, though. Points don't matter, wins do.
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See, that's very much what I'm confused about. Going by the result, Landkreuzer just rammed into Tellu without any sort of precaution, and Tellu was constantly flipping Landkreuzer throughout the match. I would have thought Tellu's flipping would have seemed more aggressive than Landkreuzer just lining up for more punishment, since he wasn't getting anything out of it.

Don't get me wrong, your style of writing is definitely on par with the best writers here, and definitely better than my own. :P But at times, how you determine a match makes me do a double take. In this case, it's that aggression category that confused me. I guess all in all it comes down to writer's discretion, but it just seems weird in some cases.

And you're not alone, either :P I questioned Josh way back in Ruination 1 with a specific heavyweight match I lost, and he flipped the categories around in response. It was pretty funny. :V

Unfortunately I feel I'm the only one who really speaks up about certain things in matches nowadays, and then I get flak for it, so sometimes I just don't bother. :P
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Jul 21 2016, 11:03 AM
Unfortunately I feel I'm the only one who really speaks up about certain things in matches nowadays, and then I get flak for it, so sometimes I just don't bother. :P
I can sort of echo these sentiments. The original "spin2win" controversy was a particularly notable example. After shouting myself hoarse about it and people reacting like I was trying to claim the moon was made of cheese, I decided it was probably a losing battle to complain about results for the most part. :v:

As for the other points, I think I remember a discussion on this very sort of point before in one of the chats. I think it came down to different writers having somewhat different interpretations on what each JD category means which can lead to some confusion at times.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
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I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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I think it came down to different writers having somewhat different interpretations on what each JD category means which can lead to some confusion at times.
Damage is pretty self-explanatory, but strategy has always been a vague category. Mainly I go by the RPs and lean towards whose RP paid off more. If neither have a substantial strategy, of sorts, I kind of split the category to whoever's controlled the battle, which overlaps with aggression, IMO. :P

Aggression is getting a bit more confusing, I guess. I see it as a varying mix of who's controlled the tide of battle more (some people would tie that into strategy), and who's done more successful attacking.

I'd be interested in having a discussion with people about the three categories. I always preferred the old Battlebots judging system, and definitely over the current system in the new Battlebots.
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I'm pretty much in agreement with Kody there on Damage and Strategy. For Aggression, I normally give points depending on who is spending more time moving towards their opponent. A faster robot that's constantly trying to avoid their opponent's front end, for example, isn't going to score too many points, but a slower robot that is always on the attack should score well, in my view.

But then I'm not writing results at this juncture, so feel free to ignore this post. =D
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For Aggression, I normally give points depending on who is spending more time moving towards their opponent. A faster robot that's constantly trying to avoid their opponent's front end, for example, isn't going to score too many points, but a slower robot that is always on the attack should score well, in my view.


Yeah, this is basically how I write it. Aggression is moving with the intent of attacking, regardless of whether that attack is successful. However, IMO if one robot is attempting to attack its opponent's side or rear and the opponent is just trying to avoid being flanked, the robot trying to flank is the aggressor. Using weaponry effectively is covered by strategy, as is control of the match and general driving ability.

For example, a hammerbot that repeatedly misses is showing aggression, but poor strategy. If a spinner charges a wedge, but gets bounced off and flies across the arena without doing significant damage, the spinner is the aggressor, but in strategy it counts towards the wedge because the wedge is controlling the match by knocking the spinner around. If the wedge rams the spinner and the spinner is just hanging back, the wedge is the aggressor.

Note that a robot can deny an opponent the opportunity to show aggression, e.g. by clamping it, repeatedly flipping it, or pinning it.
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"Using weaponry effectively is covered by strategy"

This is a bit of a grey area, and in a way I disagree. If you are using your weapon in an efficient manner, you are basically attacking the other bot with it, and that counts as aggression IMO.
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Jul 21 2016, 01:16 PM
"Using weaponry effectively is covered by strategy"

This is a bit of a grey area, and in a way I disagree. If you are using your weapon in an efficient manner, you are basically attacking the other bot with it, and that counts as aggression IMO.
If you just playing arena hazard, I would say not so much actually. Strategy points if it works, but not Aggression.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
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I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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Meh not my best week of all time. Whipcoil underperformed again, and Doomerang got its ass handed to it on Reddit. Still, Sundown Ranger pulled it off somehow which makes me incredibly happy.

When the hell are Pyrite and C&D going to lose :v:
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When the hell are Pyrite and C&D going to lose :v:
First playoff fight. :v:
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
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Spatula,Jan 29 2011
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I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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If you just playing arena hazard, I would say not so much actually. Strategy points if it works, but not Aggression.
I can agree with that, which is why I did say it was a bit of a grey area. It depends on how you attack with the weapon too.
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Meh, RP'd for Juno I guess. I didn't really want to, but if I didn't, that'd be unfair on TBR.
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And that's pretty much everything up except for that one fight I was never going to win anyway.
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Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

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Losses: 230
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skate doesn't have a flipper :v:
He can still topple me over, though. Like, O'Malley didn't have one either, and that never stopped him. :v:
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Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

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Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

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Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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Next weekend I'm not going to be able to write for Backlash, I'm going to a convention and I won't be home until monday afternoon/evening.
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I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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