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Topic Started: May 26 2014, 02:31 PM (9,588 Views)
prince palatine
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Just a quick question, who is Zadkiel fighting this week? The schedule says Tinker Knight be he's not even in the sign ups
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Robot Attack LW Runner Up (With The Servant's Assistant)
FRR: Dead Zone LW Runner Up (With The Servant's Assistant)
Ruination: The Beginning joint third place (With The Servant's Assistant, Camo Alert and Hammer & Nailz)
Crazy Bots Blazing Ruin: MW Runner Up (Merry Hampton BR) and SHW CHAMPION!!! (F-Dynasty)
League of Robotic Excellence: MW 3rd place (Terminus) and LW CHAMPION!!! (The Servant's Assistant 3)
Ruination: The Omen: MW joint 3rd place (Merry Hampton BR) SHW joint 3rd place (Curse Of The Deep 2) and HW CHAMPION!!! (Klarinette)
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Wasn't that Badnik's previous LW?
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It seems like every time there's a schedule problem, Badnik's name comes up. :v:
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Spatula,Jan 29 2011
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I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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SHW RP up, three more to do. Why must I fight Josh in Week One twice. :headache:
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Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

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MadBull
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hello...

fighting Marauder, reading its stats, what's up with those spring loaded spikes that are mentioned but not shown? I have no clue what the deal with them is.
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MadBull
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Hang on... hang on...

I am a bit puzzled by Marauder, can someone help me?

Exactly how is it that the flipping plate can be used effectively when inverted? Look at the picture.

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Near the top right, in blue, is an image of the lifter in use. It is CLEARLY hinged at the very top of the chassis. The chassis itself extends to the point where it is partially underneath the lifter, and so do the skirts. This means that A. the skirts will not be able to work inverted (like the stats claim), they'd hit the lifter, not the floor, and B. the flipper can't work when inverted, the way it's hinged, it'd hit the body and then won't be able to move upwards any further.

Right?
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Agreed.

I'm assuming the springloaded spikes are those grey teeth at the front of the chassis
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Square Wave: 11-1
Snijmachine: 10-2
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Sep 20 2014, 08:42 AM
Agreed.

I'm assuming the springloaded spikes are those grey teeth at the front of the chassis
This. The silver hooks on the top of the chassis are spring-loaded, and it has a set on the bottom of its chassis as well (Usually they're pushed in by the weight of the robot.) for when it runs upside down. As for the Lifter, it's powered by a pair of Linear Actuators (Basically, Electronic Pistons. :v: ) extending out from underneath, and when it's flipped over, it drops down so that it runs flush with the ground, and instead powered by the Actuators retracting.
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"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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MadBull
Sep 20 2014, 07:03 AM
The chassis itself extends to the point where it is partially underneath the lifter, and so do the skirts. This means that A. the skirts will not be able to work inverted (like the stats claim), they'd hit the lifter, not the floor, and B. the flipper can't work when inverted, the way it's hinged, it'd hit the body and then won't be able to move upwards any further.
if you use it like that Alex, the lifting plate would intersect with Marauder's body and skirts, if you take the CAD file, turn it around, and THEN raise the flipper, you'll see what I mean
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Sep 20 2014, 08:51 AM
As for the Lifter, it's powered by a pair of Linear Actuators (Basically, Electronic Pistons. :v: ) extending out from underneath, and when it's flipped over, it drops down so that it runs flush with the ground, and instead powered by the Actuators retracting.
I'm afraid not. Look at how it's hinged in the side view. There's no physical setup that could allow the plow to clip through the chassis and continue to rotate in that direction.
Team Targeted - (36-12) Robot Bastards

Dr. P: 4-8
Square Wave: 11-1
Snijmachine: 10-2
Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1
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MadBull
Sep 20 2014, 09:08 AM
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Sep 20 2014, 07:03 AM
The chassis itself extends to the point where it is partially underneath the lifter, and so do the skirts. This means that A. the skirts will not be able to work inverted (like the stats claim), they'd hit the lifter, not the floor, and B. the flipper can't work when inverted, the way it's hinged, it'd hit the body and then won't be able to move upwards any further.
if you use it like that Alex, the lifting plate would intersect with Marauder's body and skirts, if you take the CAD file, turn it around, and THEN raise the flipper, you'll see what I mean
I see. It does still function as a wedge though, so there is that.

And the big question is, can you flip me anyway with those little dessert spoons? :P
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"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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MadBull
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You must understand I am not just bringing this up because I am fighting Marauder soon, even though that IS the reason I noticed it. As staff it is part of my job to notice false claims in the entrants of the tournament (for the record, I am 100% this is an unintentional mistake, but still a false claim). Not just for my fight but for the entirety of the tournament. Alex of the Siphai kind has edited the description of Marauder, call it an erratum if you wish. And yeah, you'll still be a wedge when inverted, perfectly fine :)
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Sep 20 2014, 09:47 AM
And the big question is, can you flip me anyway with those little dessert spoons? :P
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MadBull
Sep 20 2014, 10:10 AM
You must understand I am not just bringing this up because I am fighting Marauder soon, even though that IS the reason I noticed it. As staff it is part of my job to notice false claims in the entrants of the tournament (for the record, I am 100% this is an unintentional mistake, but still a false claim). Not just for my fight but for the entirety of the tournament. Alex of the Siphai kind has edited the description of Marauder, call it an erratum if you wish. And yeah, you'll still be a wedge when inverted, perfectly fine :)
Not a problem man, it's fair enough to point out a design flaw if you see one. I hadn't really noticed myself, so of course it's a little bit annoying, but hopefully it shouldn't affect me too much. To elaborate, as well as being fast and controlled, Marauder's a very low design with its hinged skirts and centre of gravity, and of course is very wide as well, which makes it difficult to get under or flip. So it's a weakness yes, but hopefully shouldn't be one that affects me too massively.

And yes Kody, really. He should probably be fighting a very large Sundae instead with those. :P
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"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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EDIT: Although Siphai, the side skirts are hinged, and thus would work when it's inverted, just not the Lifter. They're designed to go around the wedge, so they do not get in the way when flipped.
Ice Cubed Robotics Posted Image
"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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Sep 20 2014, 01:11 PM
EDIT: Although Siphai, the side skirts are hinged, and thus would work when it's inverted, just not the Lifter. They're designed to go around the wedge, so they do not get in the way when flipped.
I know, all it says is that the lifter doesn't work when inverted.
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Square Wave: 11-1
Snijmachine: 10-2
Parabolic Trajectory: 11-1
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Sep 20 2014, 01:18 PM
GF93
Sep 20 2014, 01:11 PM
EDIT: Although Siphai, the side skirts are hinged, and thus would work when it's inverted, just not the Lifter. They're designed to go around the wedge, so they do not get in the way when flipped.
I know, all it says is that the lifter doesn't work when inverted.
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(On tapered plates, but the side skirts can't function when inverted because they'd intersect with the lifting plate.)

Not what it says here, though. Since this is not true, could you please remove this highlighted bit?
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"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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Oh, sorry, for clarity, I made that edit, since it was part of my initial point...
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Near the top right, in blue, is an image of the lifter in use. It is CLEARLY hinged at the very top of the chassis. The chassis itself extends to the point where it is partially underneath the lifter, and so do the skirts. This means that A. the skirts will not be able to work inverted (like the stats claim), they'd hit the lifter, not the floor

And I understood you agreed with me so I made that edit... what I understand now is that you missed that point altogether, but I still stand by it. In the top view, I see that the wedge is as wide as the skirts are. In the other views, I see that the side skirts reach so far forwards that they end up UNDER the sides of the front wedge. There's no physical setup that could allow the skirts to clip through the wedge and continue to rotate in that direction.

Again, take the CAD file, and rotate the skirts upwards using the hinge as the center of rotation. I am absolutely positive that they WILL move through the wedge, which is physically impossible.
Edited by MadBull, Sep 20 2014, 02:43 PM.
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Just tried that, and it wouldn't get in the way. To elaborate- if you look closely at the end of the diagram-
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-you'll see that the skirt hinge stops just before the Flipper, so it's not underneath and therefore does not connect with it. With the way it's hinged, it's free to swing around when the whole robot is inverted, providing protection on either side as and when needed.
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"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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hmz... I'll see your point Alex, yes, your skirts may well work inverted...

first, the fact that the skirts get under the lifter is still true, and your image only confirms that... it is not the bottom bit of the lifter that goes over the skirts, but the TOP part of the lifter
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The read line shows the lifter being directly above the skirt in that position. I thought that that would be a problem, I changed my mind upon seeing your latest picture.

Thing is though.
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MadBull
Sep 20 2014, 09:08 AM
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Sep 20 2014, 07:03 AM
The chassis itself extends to the point where it is partially underneath the lifter, and so do the skirts. This means that A. the skirts will not be able to work inverted (like the stats claim), they'd hit the lifter, not the floor, and B. the flipper can't work when inverted, the way it's hinged, it'd hit the body and then won't be able to move upwards any further.
if you use it like that Alex, the lifting plate would intersect with Marauder's body and skirts, if you take the CAD file, turn it around, and THEN raise the flipper, you'll see what I mean
I see. It does still function as a wedge though, so there is that.

You QUOTED the post in which I said "the skirts will not be able to work inverted" and replied with "I see" and with no attempt to counter it. You must understand I do not just go on a solo robot editing spree as I see fit, I brought up the matter openly and your post gave me reason to assume you agreed with me, and I edited accordingly, and actually based my tactics on it too.

I will edit it back, because you seem to be right and I was wrong, but annoyingly I am not allowed to edit my tactics.
Edited by MadBull, Sep 21 2014, 11:40 AM.
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