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| Topic Started: May 26 2014, 02:31 PM (9,582 Views) | |
| British-Robotics | Oct 1 2014, 05:40 AM Post #281 |
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First RP out of three for Week 3. Next two matches are still going to be hard to handle, I still think a battle with Lethal Injection will be hard also. I'm not feeling confident on this one. |
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| MadBull | Oct 1 2014, 08:15 AM Post #282 |
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I appreciate that last post of yours Josh, despite having played no real role in the argument at hand. The inconvenient truth is that the moment this mistake regarding the nature of Stabstract was made, the solution was never gonna be a pretty one. I personally think that a rewrite is the lesser of 2 evils. And of course that is very harsh on Lian. No one's denying that. I'd like to explain why I still think the rewrite has its merits. If only to try to make Lian feel a bit better about it. When I am quoting someone here, I do by no means mean to personally attack that person, but will only do so to get my views across to try to alleviate the situation a bit. Of course while I am attacking no one absolutely everyone is free to respond.
Josh isn't wrong there, that would be very very ugly. However, suppose it was indeed the last week of the regular season and Teresa too needed that win to get into the playoffs, and the mistake would have been maintained, THEN it would have been "Ooops, sorry Kody, you COULD have been in the playoffs, but the writer randomly had you fight a grotesquely overpowered version of the robot you were meant to fight! At least the other guy is happy now, beating you with a robot he never entered and that defies all rules!" Surely that is wrong too? As I said, the moment the mistake about Stabstract was made, the solution was always gonna be ugly. Josh proves that with his "what if?" scenario, and I hope I prove it with mine. Guess the lesson then is that mistakes suck, huh? I bet we all agree on that.
Lian himself acknowledged right away that he won the fight with what for all intents and purposes was not the robot he entered. As did Kody and myself, as can be seen in the above quotes (God I hate quoting myself). Humorously, yes, but the implications still were that in this fight Lian beat Kody with a nonexistent (even by fictional robot combat measures) 30-point SHW 2-part clusterbot, the real life equivalent would be a 680 pounds/300 kilogram 2-part clusterbot. I laughed it off myself, but even then I did assume this would lead to a rewrite. I wasn't gonna bring it up, because I felt it was between the 2 combatants, the writer and the tournament host (writer and host being 1 and the same in this specific case), but I sure as hell know ARC has done rewrites in the past when writers made blatant mistakes (I did not know then about any behind-the-scenes staff struggles that came with this) and I felt that this was a blatant enough mistake to warrant one now.
Moving on.
I THINK you are having a wrong concept of cause and effect here. Kody winning was not a direct consequence of Nick making a mistake (at least, I would hope so!). It's not "Oh damn, I made a mistake and disadvantaged Kody, to compensate I should now give Kody a free win by default!". What did happen was "Oh damn, I made a mistake grave enough to possibly influence the outcome of a match. With this new information I should reevaluate this match. Ah, to my best knowledge, without this mistake, Kody would have won." Mistake > reevaluation > Kody wins Over Mistake > Kody wins The fact that an honest reevaluation would lead to Kody winning, is supported (but not proven) by the fact that the Judges' Decision was very close as it was back when Stabstract still had the massive (and unlawful) advantage of being a 300 kg clusterbot. Nick, being assigned this battle, thoroughly read he tactics and the robots' stats (making a mistake while doing the latter) and came to the conclusion that a good result for this match was for Stabstract the clusterbot to narrowly beat Tereasa. Upon being told Stabstract wasn't a clusterbot, his renewed analysis made him conclude Teresa would win this particular match with its particular parameters (most notably, the tactics). And again, yes, this was set in motion because "someone thought my bot was a clusterbot when it blatantly isn't". It all started with a mistake, you are right at that.
Like I said earlier this post, I did find it funny yet was very much expecting it would lead to a rewrite. Things can be wrong and funny at the same time, they all too often are, and as Kody said himself.
Kody, despite finding it hilarious, would have brought up the issue. Nick just beat him to it. And Kody very kindly says he would not have cared who won... like I said, the fact that Stabstract only narrowly won whilst having a huge advantage, does make it at the very least logical that Kody would have won in the new (correct) situation.
That line misses the point that Nick thought he did understand Stabstract, he was quite simply wrong, not confused.
Of course it wasn't your fault. Absolutely no one is saying that. You are the victim of circumstances here, clearly. But the fact it wasn't YOUR fault doesn't mean it isn't faulty at all. The moment someone made a mistake this blatant, one that could tilt an entire match, someone was always gonna be fucked. Suppose the mistake was maintained, lets suppose that for a bit. And suppose that at the end of the regular season, Stabstract had scraped through to the playoffs with only 1 win in it. Had you lost to Teresa, you would not have been in the playoffs. Lets suppose then for a second Stabstract would end up winning the entire tournament. Then, forever, Stabstract's tournament victory would have involved a win over Teresa in which Stabstract was an entirely different robot than the robot you entered, a grossly overweight clusterbot that had no business ever fighting in your name. Not your fault, but still true. And you know what this forum can be like, forums in general really, you may well never hear the end of it. And suppose Teresa fails to make the playoffs, only 1 win in it, knowing she lost to a Mega Evolved Stabstract in Week 2... OUCH Someone was always gonna receive the short end of this stick. Personally, I rather see this be combined with a fair and correct match than with a grossly wrong one. I WILL say however, seeing how this went... maybe talk this through with the parties involved next time something like this occurs? I don't necessarily mean fellow staff, but very much the combatants involved. IF Kody and Lian were both to say they were absolutely fine with maintaining this mistake... then maybe lets do so? Make sure to make clear that that then won't be a precedent to just let mistakes run wild... a case by case thing. Edited by MadBull, Oct 1 2014, 08:29 AM.
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| Badnik96 | Oct 1 2014, 08:18 AM Post #283 |
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
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edit: nevermind it was a joke and im stupid because i can never read alex's sarcasm
Edited by Badnik96, Oct 1 2014, 08:21 AM.
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| Siphai | Oct 1 2014, 10:43 AM Post #284 |
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This makes sense. I know that no writer would ever willfully change a result under the guise of 'having made a mistake' for personal gain or what not, but this would be a nice check and balance to ensure that rewrites aren't something that just happens because the writer says so (though I sincerely doubt we'll see another rewrite for, probably another 5 years lol) |
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| Mystic2000 | Oct 1 2014, 12:17 PM Post #285 |
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The Mad Scientist of ARC
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Holy hell, what is going on there? so if i understood that well, Stabstract was thought to be a cluster, when it isn't and this caused it to win against Teresa, and people are debating wether to rewrite the match or not, did i got it right ? |
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| MadBull | Oct 1 2014, 12:20 PM Post #286 |
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not COMPLETELY, there HAS been a rewrite, and the discussion is about whether that went just or not |
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| GF93 | Oct 1 2014, 01:08 PM Post #287 |
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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici.
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Quoted for reference.
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Ice Cubed Robotics "I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets." Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0) Swiftsure- 2-0 Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0 Ayame- 1-0 Dead on Arrival- 1-0 Barley Picker- 1-0 Lethal Injection 3- 1-0 Robot Bastards 2 (5-5) Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1 Trump ex Machina- 0-3 Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3) Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8) Ayame- 6-1 Marauder- 6-1 Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4 Lethal Injection 3- 5-2 ALL-TIME RECORD Wins: 347 Losses: 230
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| BEES | Oct 1 2014, 03:15 PM Post #288 |
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I've never lived by anyone's rules but my own.
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The rewrite has already happened. It is official history and canon for all time for ARC. Welcome to Obama's America.
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| playzooki | Oct 1 2014, 03:18 PM Post #289 |
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oi
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And Cameron's Britain
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March or Die - Ruination: The Omen MW Last Eight, Ruination: The Omen Tag Team Champion (with the Green Hornet / NWOWWE), Ruination: The Contagion MW CHAMPION Corrupt Politician - Reign of Steel SHW Finalist Murder Is Fun! - Reign of Steel HW Semi-Finalist Shrek - Hammerfall 4th Place
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| MadBull | Oct 1 2014, 03:19 PM Post #290 |
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Superheavyweight
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... and Rutte's The Netherlands? !
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| Siphai | Oct 1 2014, 04:40 PM Post #291 |
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The Guy
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Adrian Hasler's Lichtenstein |
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| NFX | Oct 1 2014, 05:01 PM Post #292 |
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Fuck Bitches Get Crystals
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Dave Gorman's Modern Life is Goodish |
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| GF93 | Oct 1 2014, 05:08 PM Post #293 |
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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici.
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Monty Python's Life of Brian.
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Ice Cubed Robotics "I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets." Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0) Swiftsure- 2-0 Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0 Ayame- 1-0 Dead on Arrival- 1-0 Barley Picker- 1-0 Lethal Injection 3- 1-0 Robot Bastards 2 (5-5) Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1 Trump ex Machina- 0-3 Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3) Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8) Ayame- 6-1 Marauder- 6-1 Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4 Lethal Injection 3- 5-2 ALL-TIME RECORD Wins: 347 Losses: 230
Notable Achievements on Advanced Robot Combat for make benefit glorious Team of Ice Cubed Robotics
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| playzooki | Oct 2 2014, 02:01 AM Post #294 |
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Harry Enfield's Television Program |
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| NWOWWE | Oct 2 2014, 01:21 PM Post #295 |
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Team Blood Gulch Motto
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Welp there's my 3 for the week (a merciful bye week for Arbiter ). Hopefully O'Malley and/or Sarge can hold off an 0-3 start.
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| GF93 | Oct 2 2014, 02:10 PM Post #296 |
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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici.
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Oh no, not that damn pumpkin again. D: |
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Ice Cubed Robotics "I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets." Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0) Swiftsure- 2-0 Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0 Ayame- 1-0 Dead on Arrival- 1-0 Barley Picker- 1-0 Lethal Injection 3- 1-0 Robot Bastards 2 (5-5) Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1 Trump ex Machina- 0-3 Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3) Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8) Ayame- 6-1 Marauder- 6-1 Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4 Lethal Injection 3- 5-2 ALL-TIME RECORD Wins: 347 Losses: 230
Notable Achievements on Advanced Robot Combat for make benefit glorious Team of Ice Cubed Robotics
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| NWOWWE | Oct 2 2014, 02:15 PM Post #297 |
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Team Blood Gulch Motto
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Happy Halloween
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| That Kode Guy | Oct 3 2014, 09:16 PM Post #298 |
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Ruiner of All
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I'll get the rest of my shit in tomorrow. |
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| GF93 | Oct 3 2014, 10:09 PM Post #299 |
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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici.
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Likewise- I'll try and get two in tonight, then I'll do the other two tomorrow night. |
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Ice Cubed Robotics "I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets." Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0) Swiftsure- 2-0 Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0 Ayame- 1-0 Dead on Arrival- 1-0 Barley Picker- 1-0 Lethal Injection 3- 1-0 Robot Bastards 2 (5-5) Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1 Trump ex Machina- 0-3 Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3) Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8) Ayame- 6-1 Marauder- 6-1 Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4 Lethal Injection 3- 5-2 ALL-TIME RECORD Wins: 347 Losses: 230
Notable Achievements on Advanced Robot Combat for make benefit glorious Team of Ice Cubed Robotics
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| That Kode Guy | Oct 4 2014, 01:50 PM Post #300 |
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Ruiner of All
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welp, there we are |
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