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LoRE 2: The Other Electric Boogaloo - Discussion
Topic Started: Apr 23 2014, 04:43 PM (9,884 Views)
Siphai
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Yes you could "alter" it, and I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you did.

The point is you had to prove that having the wedges connected was actually physically possible. It's no different from that time Paul demanded you prove that Tank's wedges were hinged since the CAD you entered seemed to clearly contradict that idea. The CAD and the description have to reasonably match up with each other.


I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. It's obvious that having the wedges connected is physically possible. Like, c'mon. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you could do this:

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Or one of a billion different ways to connect them without interfering with the flipper.

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It's been awhile since the armor bonus rule was added, but I believe it was partially to prevent bots from sticking a whole bunch of junk in front of their bots (like Sanitation Engineer for instance) and saying "+2 armor to front" and basically making them invincible to spinners. In fact, I recall that I ended up having to redact an armor bonus I was going to give to Final Boss (back in the first or second season of this rule) since I was informed that each skirt would be considered separately.

It also helped to give a reason to using a solid wedge instead of several smaller Underall style wedges. Underall wedges would generally be better at getting under stuff, but you couldn't protect them as well as a solid wedge.


Yeah each skirt would be considered separately since, A) all four skirts getting the armor bonus would go over the 33% rule and B) they're on separate sides of the robot. The armor bonus rule prior to this one was that anything attached would automatically get a +2, so you'd get robots like Tank and Red Hot Fridge that'd be surrounded by wheel guards, wedges, and armor plates getting a +2 for the whole robot. The new armor bonus rule was put into place so that people would have to do a more directional armor.

Solid wedges already have their advantages over underall style wedges anyway. Spinners will catch on those teeth and rip them, while solid wedges are a smooth flat surface that aren't as prone to taking damage.
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lmao... if you're talking about 1 billion different permutations of that flimsy line connecting those two wedges, then yes there are a myriad of different ways you can connect them.

Anyway, the point wasn't that I or anyone else doubted it could be done, but that it wasn't apparent at all and seemed rather counter-intuitive. I'm sorry providing an alternate view so you could cleanly collect your armor bonus was so inconvienent for you.

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Yeah each skirt would be considered separately since, A) all four skirts getting the armor bonus would go over the 33% rule
Well I wasn't talking about ALL the skirts, just the ones in front, but I digress. And I did change it since it was correctly pointed out that they'd be considered separate and there wasn't any way to claim otherwise. Ostensibly Final Boss's skirts are much like Parabolic Trajctory's in that they most obviously appear to be two separate wedges and if you want to say otherwise I don't think it's asking too much for you to provide a picture that backs up your claim.

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Solid wedges already have their advantages over underall style wedges anyway.
Wow, I should have had you RPing for me all those times Zombie Killer fought Underall. :v:
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
01:27 AM
Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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Siphai
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Lol how is it counter intuitive. I mean, other than just being more difficult to build IRL (which has never really been a problem, since this is fiction). Like, idk dude, you just said that you wanted to make sure it was 'phsyically possible' but now you're saying that you never doubted that it could be done. And as far as apparent goes, well, the static wedge on Klarinette that's behind the lifter has never been apparent (since we're never given a camera angle showing it) but I know that the thing is physically possible and fine and whatever - I don't need to see it. I also don't need to see a piston on the inside of PT, I already know its a fipper.

Also you seem to be insinuating that I did it to gain an advantage, which, uhh, yeah? It's in the rules, and its not like I entered Airazor. Just getting the same bonus that any other wedge would get. It's not like the bonus is unique to PT, I think any robot in that same situation should get the same bonus. That includes Final Boss, since there's no reason why one whole wedge that takes up the same space would demand less armor than two separate wedges.

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Wow, I should have had you RPing for me all those times Zombie Killer fought Underall. :v:


Well, underall isn't a spinner. ZK's wedge is more suited to deflecting blows from a spinner, since its one solid flat piece, as opposed to Underalls teeth. That was always technically Underall's 'weakness' (though it never came into play afiak).
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
so um you guys have 4 days and 20 hours to finish your teams

weed

also I still need robot models from like everyone cmon guys
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Look whatever. Is it really asking that much to show how it's connected if someone asks?
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
01:27 AM
Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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Mar 15 2015, 03:36 PM
also I still need robot models from like everyone cmon guys
im p/sure i got mine in already
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Badnik96
Mar 15 2015, 03:36 PM
also I still need robot models from like everyone cmon guys
im p/sure i got mine in already
Same here
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
yeah well aside from you and the bots ive modeled for Josh/TBR I have literally no one's

except mystic but he hasn't put the bots he sent me into the sign ups thread yet
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Siphai
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Mar 15 2015, 04:58 PM
Look whatever. Is it really asking that much to show how it's connected if someone asks?
Nah but its like... the request just feels unnecessary. Like... idk, someone saying they have four wheels on a robot, but you can't see them, and asking for a second picture show that there are in fact four wheels on the robot. Guy might not even have any wheels in his CAD and edits them in for the other picture. What difference does it make exactly? We all know its possible, and it makes sense. The bar connecting PTs wedges isn't even flimsy, I could give you another picture showing that the bar has some thickness to it. The point from me was that it didn't matter - I made the statement that they were connected and eligible for the armor bonus, and instead of it just being accepted, I had to prove it. This is different from the Tank side hinged wedges, where only a certain number of wedges could be hinged - that made a difference in the arena in terms of who could get under its sides. This just feels very pedantic.

Which is my argument for changing the rule I guess. Like I can MAKE [re: trick everyone else into thinking that] PTs wedges are connected, but why? There's no ADVANTAGE gained from having the wedges separate. Like, yeah there's the Underall Piano Teeth, but the wedges themselves already have that cut into them, having the wedges separate makes no difference. Like right now if you have two separate wedges on your front, you can't give them an armor bonus, and that doesn't make a lot of sense. The fact that I'm forced to go through convoluted means just to show that the wedges are 'connected' to get an arbitrary armor bonus is, like you said counter-intuitive.
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An argument could be made that with PT's wedges connected like so, it can actually be a noticeable detriment to PT in some situations.

Like say they were separate. If another wedge got under one of your wedges, then at that moment they are only under that wedge and have minimal leverage on PT.

Now consider the same scenario with PT's wedges connected. That connector strip is going to contact the underside of your flipper arm pretty much immediately after a bot gets under one side of your wedge. So now your entire front is is being lifted off the ground instead of just one wedge. Now your opponent has much more leverage on you in this situation than the previous one with exactly the same amount of work.

I'm not saying one way is better than the other in any/all given situations, I'm just trying to illustrate that it's not a completely insignificant point.

And the request for proof wasn't really because we didn't believe it could be done, but mostly because literally no one has connected wedges under that style of flipper before and as a staff it was helpful to see how the wedges connected.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
01:27 AM
Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
So the connected wedges apply for CBNBC?

Oh boy, I have a plan now
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
4 days, one hour remaining! Get your shit in!
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
Hey Paul are you still set on not entering? Because if everything works out, if you don't enter we may end up with bye weeks, and no one wants that.

Also 4 days and 18 hours left to enter
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Updated Bomb's stats slightly- decreased the Traction a little, and used the points to upgrade the Flipper. It's at 6 now, so it should be able to put bots out of the Arena.
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Added my new showbot in.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
01:27 AM
Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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Moved both sign-up threads to Fantasy All Access, because it's only a few days away. ;)
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
1 day and 23 hours remain

cmon guys gotta go fast
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gonna be close :/
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Well unless Badnik is going to have LoRE start while the Crazy Bots playoffs are going on, I would imagine some kind of compromise could be worked out.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
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Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
Yeah I could probably extend the deadline if I need to.
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Redline - Robot Bastards LW Champion
Sling Shot - Bot-o-Rama 2016 Sportsman Champion
The Debilitator - Cherry Bomb Classic Lightweight Champion
Pyrite - FRR Backlash Lightweight Champion
Doomerang - Robot Fight Night Heavyweight Champion

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