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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 11 2011, 06:21 PM (558 Views) | |
| SpooldU | Mar 11 2011, 06:21 PM Post #1 |
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So the saga continues with repairs to the dak. Been really hard to engage the clutch (particularly 1st, 2nd, and reverse). Sometimes I feel like I have to stand on the clutch pedal to allow me to get it into first gear. When getting it into first, 2nd, or reverse it feels like i am pushing a semi rounded off square peg into a round hole. It goes in, but it catches and isnt smooth at all. For whatever reason, 3rd, 4th, and 5th all seem to be fine. I stopped by a well known and reputable transmission shop and i spoke with the guy for a few, he came and looked at my truck, got in and stepped on the clutch and said the clutch was shot. Didnt turn it on, shift, or try to drive it and seemed to know it was blown just by pushing the pedal in. He quoted me $720 out the door for a new clutch(whole kit), labor, new trans fluid, new xfer case fluid, and a resurfaced flywheel. So a few questions. Does what I described sound like a bad clutch? Could it be something less severe such as syncros, shiftforks, etc? My knowledge of transmissions is limited. Is $720 a terrible deal for what I am getting? After pretty much redoing the entire top end, new front brakes, and other small repairs, I am about done with trying to keep fixing the thing lol. Thoughts? Edited by SpooldU, Mar 11 2011, 06:22 PM.
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| SPC.Brinkmeyer | Mar 11 2011, 07:59 PM Post #2 |
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you cant fix STUPID,,, stupid
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DO IT YOURSELF you will save a ton... i did the clutch in my 240 everything was smaller but ive done a clutch on a blazer aswell and neither were too aweful bad... get a clutch for 200-300 and im not sure y he said you have to replace the fluid in the trans and transfur... i never drained either just droped it all out at once with a ratchet strap, block of wood, and a jack... o yea and a buddy to help... and as far as syncs being less severe im not sure bout that cuz then you gotta pretty much rebuild the trans for that lol clutch is prety cheap and easy compared... if you could i would flush the clutch fluid so you got new fluid running to the slave... also inspect the fork that the slave pushes on that disengages the clutch and be sure it hasnt started to wear through or that could need replaced..... |
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| SpooldU | Mar 12 2011, 10:26 AM Post #3 |
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I am an ok fixer, and go do alot of things by myself but I dont trust myself to bust open a transmission and not end up having to have it towed to a shop. I wouldnt know what to look for in wear and tear and wouldnt know what I am looking at. Plus I dont have the time to have it torn down in my driveway for an entire day or longer, |
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| 04dak | Mar 12 2011, 12:12 PM Post #4 |
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sounds like it needs a clutch, if you had a syncro gone it would grind into two gears, like 1+r 2+3 4+5 a shift fork usually wont wear, it would brake and then youd be missing two gears. both of those are pretty severe and need to take the tranny apart, if you dont have a garage to do it in dont bother trying to do it. its a pain in the ass on rough unlevel ground, 75 sounds like a pretty good price, im not sure why they would need to change the oils tho, better ask about that one. the only thing i can think of is if it has cooler lines they need to be pulled and then the fluid could drain out. |
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| 04dak | Mar 12 2011, 12:14 PM Post #5 |
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see if theres an adjustment on the clutch first, i know with semi's, you can adjust the clutch and itll make it like a brand new clutch. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 12 2011, 09:22 PM Post #6 |
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Man, I hate those fuckers, they know its simple and an easy way to screw you by charging for a complete kit to just adjust something simple.... Hope you didnt go to Cottman Transmission, they are some screwed up company... got to a reputable shop or dealer and see if its something simple you can do yourself or get dome cheaper,,,, I cant see anything over 250-300 to even replace a clutch plate if needed... Might be a frayed cable? |
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| SpooldU | Mar 13 2011, 09:03 PM Post #7 |
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So i went to take it over to the shop and leave it so they could get started on it tomorrow and have it done by end of day tomorrow, and something wierd happened. The clutch worked flawlessly...Didnt have to push the clutch in hard at any point. Each gear shifted perfectly. If something was busted, would this be possible? Seems almost like an air bubble or something that was in the line that isnt there now...I have no idea though lol. All i know is, is the clutch seems perfect now, and its made me rething shelling out $700 for a new clutch. Only reason I turned around is that the check engine light came on and I wasnt ready to go spend $700 if something else were going to need to be replaced. Turns out it was a loose gas cap lol. Anyway, any thoughts on a sometimes bad sometimes great clutch? |
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| 04dak | Mar 13 2011, 10:00 PM Post #8 |
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yea the throwout bearing is probably worn out, just keep driving it till it pukes right out. |
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| SpooldU | Apr 23 2011, 11:48 AM Post #9 |
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Just as an update. Finally had to take in the dak and have the clutch fixed. Only, more stuff broke. The Clutch master cylinder cracked and started leaking fluid everywhere. It was already getting dang near impossible to shift into 1st, Reverse, and sometimes 2nd. So they did a whole clutch kit, resurface the flywheel, all new fluids, new master cyl, and a million other things. However, although I no longer have to stand on the clutch pedal to get it to shift, I absolutely can not get it into 1st gear for the life of me. If I turn the truck off, I can get it into any gear with ease. If I turn it on, its impossible to get it into 1st and 2nd/reverse take a bit of muscle. Trans shop said that there was a lot of brass shavings on the drain plug indicating worn out syncros or wear and tear over the years. He said to drive the truck for a bit and see if the syncros seat in, and if not I will need to replace the syncros. He wants another $1000 for parts and labor to do all the syncros. Any thoughts or ideas on why I cant shift into first with the truck on? Or any recommendations on some "easy" fixes to the problem? |
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| 04dak | Apr 24 2011, 10:16 AM Post #10 |
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sounds like syncros, 1000 bucks sounds a little steep to me, he SHOULD have done it with the tranny out when the clutch was getting replaced. now he wants you to pay to get him to pull the tranny AGAIN. when he should have done it properly the first time. and im still not sure why he had to change the fluids to do a clutch. thats BS. |
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| SpooldU | Apr 24 2011, 11:29 AM Post #11 |
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He said that on the 2000 daks that syncro's are a seperate piece of the trans and that he cant even see them/get to them when doing the clutch...I take it that is not correct? And what should/could I expect to pay for someone to fix the syncro's? Oddly enough I found that if the truck is moving I can shift into 1st gear when traveling at about 2mph, such as downshifting from 2nd to 1st but only at a super low speed. If the truck is at a stop, cant get into first at all. |
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| 04dak | Apr 24 2011, 12:01 PM Post #12 |
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The syncros in ANY manual tranny is internal, you can never see them when just doing the clutch but when you do a clutch the tranny is out and when they drained the fluid and saw the shavings they should have called you and said "hey there's shavings in your oil, here's how much your syncro is gunna cost want us to do it?" instead of going ah what the hell and just putting it back together. It is bad for their business because they lost the job, and it's bad for you because now your truck needs to be out of commission for a couple more days |
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| SpooldU | Apr 24 2011, 02:10 PM Post #13 |
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F'in figures as much. Anything else I should have them look at while I take it in for syncro's? Any other part(s) that could be worn and would save the labor while they have that portion of the trans pulled apart? |
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| 04dak | Apr 24 2011, 04:20 PM Post #14 |
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No I would just tell them that if they see anything to give you a call |
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| SpooldU | Apr 26 2011, 07:44 AM Post #15 |
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Took it back. They rebled the clutch fluid lines and said they got alot more air out. I guess normally you have to replace everything when doing the master cylinder as there is no way to bleed the system. He said they got the system bled for me by just pushing the clutch over and over to get all the air out to save me from having to replace the whole system... Anyway, after a re-bleed it now works fantastically. All gears work as they should and the clutch feels smooth. I dont know...case closed? |
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