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Students; wtf
Topic Started: Dec 10 2010, 10:59 PM (343 Views)
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what the chuff do they think they are doing defacing the cenotaph and swinging from the union flag, not to mention willfull vandalism of public and private propety.
ive got nothing against protest but this bunch of morons are totaly out of order and control.
they harp on about politcians going back on there words, what did they think they were going to do. a trustworthy politician is rare as a t-total student.
id rather have a much needed new ward on the local hospital than send a bunch of numpty`s to uni for four years to study middle eastern pottery or bloody film study then get a job in a call centre at the end of it.
i agree that education is a right. but its a right that you have to earn not be handed gratis. i know im going to get some grief over this thread as i dare say ther is ex or current students amongst us but lets be honest how much of the four years was spent drunk beyond belief then moaning that you had to get a years worth of course work done before monday. not to mention rag week. another excuse to get slaughtered for a week.
and to think these students are supposed to be the future of our country. god helpus.
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dreadnought
Dec 10 2010, 10:59 PM
what the chuff do they think they are doing defacing the cenotaph and swinging from the union flag, not to mention willfull vandalism of public and private propety.
ive got nothing against protest but this bunch of morons are totaly out of order and control.
they harp on about politcians going back on there words, what did they think they were going to do. a trustworthy politician is rare as a t-total student.
id rather have a much needed new ward on the local hospital than send a bunch of numpty`s to uni for four years to study middle eastern pottery or bloody film study then get a job in a call centre at the end of it.
i agree that education is a right. but its a right that you have to earn not be handed gratis. i know im going to get some grief over this thread as i dare say ther is ex or current students amongst us but lets be honest how much of the four years was spent drunk beyond belief then moaning that you had to get a years worth of course work done before monday. not to mention rag week. another excuse to get slaughtered for a week.
and to think these students are supposed to be the future of our country. god helpus.

very well said mate.....make em pay :ph43r: :wtf: and while were at it lets stop all forms of child benefit...why should i pay for em in my tax. :o



now were in trouble :rock:
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Couldn't agree more. They don't deserve the education they think they should get for free. I think they should all be a: kicked out of uni and b: fined a huge amount, and that money should be plumbed back into the education system for those who were not involved in the rioting so some good could come out of this.
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gotta agree with whats been said calling them pond scum is still too nice to call them as if goin on a rampage is gonna make the goverment change there mind .with the suppose cuts goin on everyone is gonna take a hit somewhere along the line
also surly the students should of spent there time studying instead of rioting ?
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Agree with all the above! I've a daughter who, after 3 years at work, still owes most of the £15,000 student loan she got to get her through uni. She's quite happy that she had the education and has got to pay for it.
Easy way to end the disturbances. Tuition fees are at present going to be increased to £9,000 per year. If theres another demonstration which turns violent, change the proposal to £10,000. Another one after that, with violence/vandalism, goes to £11,000. Soon stop then, especially if photos published showing the people who are costing everyone else money! :assbeat:
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i agree with all of the above comments .

who do they think is going to pay for that damage they have caused it will be down to us bloody tax payers again they need a good :assbeat:
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Agree with all the above! I've a daughter who, after 3 years at work, still owes most of the £15,000 student loan she got to get her through uni. She's quite happy that she had the education and has got to pay for it.
Easy way to end the disturbances. Tuition fees are at present going to be increased to £9,000 per year. If theres another demonstration which turns violent, change the proposal to £10,000. Another one after that, with violence/vandalism, goes to £11,000. Soon stop then, especially if photos published showing the people who are costing everyone else money! :assbeat:

jeff you should run for a parliamentary seat.I d vote for you on that one. ;)
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The behavior of these protesters is absolutely disgusting. It seems people these days all want something for nothing.
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Agree with all the above! I've a daughter who, after 3 years at work, still owes most of the £15,000 student loan she got to get her through uni. She's quite happy that she had the education and has got to pay for it.
Easy way to end the disturbances. Tuition fees are at present going to be increased to £9,000 per year. If theres another demonstration which turns violent, change the proposal to £10,000. Another one after that, with violence/vandalism, goes to £11,000. Soon stop then, especially if photos published showing the people who are costing everyone else money! :assbeat:

jeff you should run for a parliamentary seat.I d vote for you on that one. ;)

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I'm 19, so very much involved with the whole protests and what not. I have friends who went to the protests up in london, but, personally, i think the fees going up is fine. Maybe it's a bit of a steep increase, but it has to be done.

Personally I got working after school, didn't bother with uni or anything. Best descision I made. :D
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I've got mixed views on this as there are many issues involved.

I was a uni student back when only the top few % went on to uni, and it was entirely funded by government. Since it was only a few % of population it was affordable to the country. Getting a degree required a fair bit of inteligence and knowledge.
When Blair / labour first came to power, one of their main election pledges was to improve education, yet almost immediately introduced tuition fees and replaced grants with loans. At the time I was pretty angry about this, but having given it thought and realised that the official student loans were somewhat different to a normal loan in that it was more like an extra tax on higher earnings it seemed more sensible.
I think one of the biggest failings now is that a much higher % of population go for a degree and as a result the degree has been devalued, and the cost to the country of the extra students has gone up. I know someone who recently graduated with a 1st honours in software engineering, yet I had done more work on software as a part of my Electronics degree. He is certainly nowhere near employable as a software engineer.

I think the current anger is as much about the libdems going back on election promises as it is about raising tuition fees itself, however the behaviour we have witnessed in the protests is disgraceful and the students certainly haven't done their cause any favours.
What it boils down to, is that education costs money and someone has to pay. Should it be the people who benefit from that further education, or should it be all working taxpayers ? There is no doubt that highly skilfull and knowledgable people benefit the country as a whole, but I don't think uni degrees are about that any more, plus TBH I think a large proportion of the top people end up going abroad because this country no longer has much to offer.
If it were me, I would make students pay for their own education with loan repayments based on income as at present, however I would also make sure the loans are repayable once the people move abroad.
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im a part time student as im in a apprentership im finishing off a hnc course that is part of bourenmouth uni. i agree with statements above and think the rioters should be kicked out of uni and have to pay fines. it puts a poor impression on everyone else who isnt rioting and actually working and learning and wanting something better after education. fudge it any of the rioters should be shot if they are seen causing harm and acting in a threating behavior then shot them,

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If it were me, I would make students pay for their own education with loan repayments based on income as at present, however I would also make sure the loans are repayable once the people move abroad.

I guess you mean the whole amount immediately? The loans do remain "owing" whatever the ex-student does with their life, only being written off at retirement age if still outstanding. (And how scary is that thought!). My daughter was going to live and work in Australia for a few years, thinking she could then come back without the loan debt, but she soon found out otherwise! :(
[GK-customfield]Jeff![customfield-GK]The Prelude, in many ways, is a typical Japanese car but I would always put it in a list of all-time fave raves because its  V-Tec engine is just so amazingly sweet.
I've said before that this is the best mass produced engine of all time, and I'll say it again now.
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I don't mean whole amount immediately. Education should be based on ability, not on family wealth. The point I was trying to make was that they shouldn't escape paying back the loan by emigrating - this current system is driving our graduates away.
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Totally agree with you. My daughter had to get a loan, because we couldn't possibly have supported her through the 3 years. Unlike the Gilmour spoilt brat, who I hope so much will end up with a criminal record! Didn't realise it was the Cenotaph he was hanging from! Insult upon insult!
[GK-customfield]Jeff![customfield-GK]The Prelude, in many ways, is a typical Japanese car but I would always put it in a list of all-time fave raves because its  V-Tec engine is just so amazingly sweet.
I've said before that this is the best mass produced engine of all time, and I'll say it again now.
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