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| Mugen Honda Civic Type-r Confirmed For Europe | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 24 2009, 12:13 PM (366 Views) | |
| rob99 | Oct 24 2009, 12:13 PM Post #1 |
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| myblackwrx | Oct 24 2009, 12:35 PM Post #2 |
Doesn't have a home to go to!
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Saw this a few days ago seriously the price tag for that is seriously taking the piss imo. |
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| Chloe | Oct 24 2009, 01:23 PM Post #3 |
Justbutts Lady Friend ;)
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| j766-- | Oct 25 2009, 09:06 PM Post #4 |
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Honda - Hopefully.
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To be fair, £40k is fairly good for one of only 20 cars... that is some seriously rare sh!t... Imagine how much a collector would pay for one of those when they are all sold. |
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| ScoobaJon | Oct 25 2009, 11:54 PM Post #5 |
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At the end of the day, if they were worth the money, they'd make a lot more than 20 :wacko: |
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| suvla | Oct 26 2009, 10:17 AM Post #6 |
Honda power!
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does look nice but you could prob make a better oner with the money |
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| nakamura | Oct 26 2009, 10:26 AM Post #7 |
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For 38k I would want more than 240ps. And not FWD either. |
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| myblackwrx | Oct 26 2009, 10:55 AM Post #8 |
Doesn't have a home to go to!
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According to this they aren't http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/carrev...n=Motoring2410# It's easily the most expensive Civic yet, costs a wallet-withering £38,599 and in one sense is an absolute bargain. Why? Because each of these tuned 240bhp Type Rs costs about £190,000 to build, netting creator Mugen a £150,000 loss for every example sold. Which makes it easier to understand why there will only be 20. There is method to this fiscal madness, however, the establishment of Honda engine tuner Mugen in the minds of UK petrolheads being the aim. We Brits buy more Type R Civics than any other country, including Japan, presenting this tuning specialist with a tempting commercial opportunity. Mugen means "unlimited" supposedly of power, rather than price and though it's owned by the Honda family, with a history stretching back to 1973, it operates separately from Honda. Unusually, the process of making these 20 special Civics occurs entirely in the UK, Honda shipping British-built Type Rs from its Swindon plant to Mugen's premises in Northampton. The priciest element is the total strip-down and high-precision rebuild of the engine into what's virtually a full-race, hand-built £19,000 motor. A new air intake, redesigned pistons and camshafts, the deletion of the balancer shaft, a revised electronic control module and a fiendishly complicated, twin-tailpipe exhaust in stainless steel are part of the package, though it's mostly labour that runs up the bill. The result is a 39bhp power boost to 240bhp, a 10 per cent torque uplift and a rev limit stretched to a yelling 8,600rpm. A limited-slip differential, 32 per cent lighter alloy wheels, UK-tuned suspension, upgraded brakes and a bodykit are also provided. Despite that high price there are options, too, including stickier Yokohama rubber and the replacement of the rear seat by a composite bulkhead, cutting another 86kg over the 20kg already pared from the standard car. Horsepower watchers may instantly conclude that 240bhp for £38,599 compares poorly with the 300bhp, £26,995 Ford Focus RS, but Honda claims that the Civic will circumnavigate the Nόrburgring 2.7 seconds per lap quicker. We enjoyed a flashing sample of this prowess at a tight little test circuit in Japan, which the Mugen tore around with electrifying verve. It feels intoxicatingly close to a full-on, no-holds-barred racer, the thrill heightened by the super-sharp responses of throttle, wheel and brakes. Yet this is an easy car to drive, and one that deploys its substantial power with tidy aplomb. The Mugen engine delivers its greatest work close to that lofty red line, and with a staccato crescendo that has us yearning to stretch it in every gear around a test track that was almost as smooth as the Honda's Championship White paint. Just one sudden crest severely tested its mid-bend stability but it was not found wanting. The Civic resists tyre-trashing understeer through all but the tightest turns, and has heart-calmingly effective brakes, too. What we don't know is how it will cope with Britain's B-road bumps. Its behaviour over those will determine whether this ultra-pricey hatch is worth considering despite that eye-widening price. For some Type R fans, the prospect of owning so rare a car and the curious bargain that it represents will prove irresistible. And after that, expect more tuned cars and components from Mugen including hot hybrids. THE FACTS Price/availability: £38,599/On sale spring 2010. Tested: Honda Civic Type R Mugen Power/torque: 240bhp/156lb ft Top speed: more than 140mph Acceleration: 0-62mph in 7.0sec approx Fuel economy (Urban): N/A CO2 emissions: N/A VED Band: N/A Alternatives: Ford RS Focus, from £26,995. Honda Civic Type R, from £19,000, Mazda3 MPS, from £21,500, Mitsubishi Evo 2.0T FQ-360 GS, £37,554, Subaru Impreza WRX STI 330S, £30,345 Verdict: Despite the price, there's bound to be no shortage of takers for this hugely accomplished, visceral hot hatch. |
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| ScoobaJon | Oct 26 2009, 02:22 PM Post #9 |
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although I guess that 190,000 includes all the design and delopment costs / 20, not just parts and labour The thing is, they say it's got 240 but its a race engine with race cams so you gonna have to rev the tits of it to get it and it'll have nothing down low. That makes me think its more of a track car but who wants to track a FF shopping car regardless of how many handling mods it has. It just doesn't make sense
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| myblackwrx | Oct 26 2009, 03:07 PM Post #10 |
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Yes but why lose money ,especially in the current economic climate. And as the list of alternatives shows you get more power for less money and 3 of them are far more practical, the exclusivity of the model may hold some attraction but feck that imo |
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| j766-- | Oct 26 2009, 05:36 PM Post #11 |
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Honda - Hopefully.
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Would still be an investment though, it should never lose it's value... The same could never be said of it's rival cars. It doesn't matter what car it is, if it's a highly publicised release of 20 bespoke models, every car collector in the world will want one. I can see these selling for £50k + within 6 months of being released, and after that, who knows. As a Honda enthusiast, I can safely say anything that Honda makes that is so exclusve would be amazing to own. That said, I really don't like the look of the new Type-R (or almost any Honda made in the last 5 years). I would never buy one, unless it was one of only 20 made... Look at it this way, the Maclaren F1 was originally sold for about £250k I believe, back in the 90's. You would struggle to pick one up now for less than £1m, and they made a damn-sight more than 20 of them. The same is true of lower-levelled cars such as the Renault 5 Gordini Turbo. Nobody will buy this as a daily driver, that would be mental. They will be snapped up for track use, or to sit in a heated garage some where. Just because it's not got the most horsepower in it's class, doesn't mean it's not the best car in it's class. Some people consider the whole package to be more important than accelerating to 60 quicker... Maybe not everybody gets the whole "Mugen" thing, but if 20 Nismo R35's were released for £150k each, It would be a different story... |
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| myblackwrx | Oct 26 2009, 06:50 PM Post #12 |
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Yes but the Mclaren F1 was at the time the fastest production car in the world ,slightly different than a Civic with a funky bodykit. If people can spend £40k on a trackday car then fair play to them but there are better options and i would bet most people wouldn't want to track a car that is so limited especially if they had a mishap. Not sure EVERY car collector will want one tbh ![]() |
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| ScoobaJon | Oct 26 2009, 07:10 PM Post #13 |
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I'm sure there will be no shortage of buyers and the car may well go up in value but i do think that it's kinda sad that people will buy a car just because it's rare. McLaren are one of the most respected teams in motosport and the F1 was a revolution for sports cars so it has earnt it's high price tag not just assumed it though limited production. For a 40k track car, I promise you it'll be anything but amazing. Put it up against a supercharged Atom or Ultima GTR and it'll look like.. well, a honda civic. |
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| MARC MOSS | Oct 26 2009, 08:44 PM Post #14 |
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looks like a standard type r that's had a visit to halfords...... surely u can achieve lots more bhp with a standard type r then do the suspension and add a silly wing if u wish for less than that askin price?? |
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| Chloe | Oct 26 2009, 08:50 PM Post #15 |
Justbutts Lady Friend ;)
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i just think its fugly! :lol: |
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| Matt | Oct 26 2009, 09:31 PM Post #16 |
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Here to stay
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Try drivin one of those home from the track and stopping to do the weekly shop on the way. Its the same with any jap performance car, for the price of an R35 you could tune an R33 to have twice the power. At the end of the day its the exclusivity factor and I for one would love a Mugen CTR especially if its in white
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| Andy | Oct 26 2009, 09:51 PM Post #17 |
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I'd sell my left nut to own such a rare mugen special, infact, i'd sell both nuts to own one! I cannot stand the new type r's they are so damn ugly and the so calle dpower increase which was only 1bhp yet the cars weight increased boggles me at why they bothered with al the extra development costs just for that 1bhp. However mugen is the biggest name in honda tuning, the parts are second to none and worth every penny (theres alot of them pennies too). For such a rare edition i would certainly have one despite not even liking that shape type r. And sorry but comparing a supercharged atom or an ultima gtr to it is rather pointless whatever the point is you were trying to make, totally different types of car and reasons for building. Mugen is massive in japan, but the parts are not easy to buy in this country which is why people like spoon so much, if they are going to release a limited edition like that to try and showcase their brand it'll be a big hit in the honda world, which as we all know is massive. |
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| chief | Oct 26 2009, 11:05 PM Post #18 |
Here to stay
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what ever the price tag is i love it + mugen =
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| ScoobaJon | Oct 27 2009, 12:52 AM Post #19 |
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Someone in a previous comment had said it was a track car and I was merely pointing out that it's not a very good one. Lets face it, no ones going to use it as their daily drive. So what your saying is an R33 with mods can never be as exclusive as a R35? Well that's a Civic with mods I can understand the appeal of owning a rare car but bolting a few mods on a civic doesn't make it rare IMHO. Each to their own anyway, life would be boring if we all thought the same.. |
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| Sar | Oct 27 2009, 10:23 AM Post #20 |
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Personally I love this car and think it is worth every penny. I dont think it is fair to say this car has just had a few mods bolted on as it is being stripped right back to its bare bones and completely rebuilt using Mugen parts and engineering, which as we all know in the Honda world, are the dogs danglies. I think the problem with this car is that it brings about the age old argument of why some people dont understand why some of us spend a lot on Honda's when we could buy much more powerful turbo'd cars for the same amount of money. Its all personal choice and if we all liked the same cars it would be a very boring world, heaven forbid we could all be driving peugeots :lol: |
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| Chloe | Oct 27 2009, 12:02 PM Post #21 |
Justbutts Lady Friend ;)
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Or saxo's lol! i love hondas and i think the idea of it would be great to own such a rare car, but im just not loving the look of it! spaceship with a spoiler lol. |
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although I guess that 190,000 includes all the design and delopment costs / 20, not just parts and labour

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