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Off To Triton Today; at 2pm
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 5 2007, 08:30 AM (647 Views)
LegacyTurbo	Oct 5 2007, 06:29 PM Post #26
y0 Posts: 3,250 Group: Members Member #34 Joined: December 23, 2006	ian_s2k Oct 5 2007, 05:24 PM let just hope my engine doesnt blow up Bit of a cheap shot there MR8 - standard power is supposed to be around 250. i think thats what he's getting at.
	[GK-customfield]Lewis[customfield-GK] Starlet GT 1.3 forged engine, tdo4 turbo @ 1.25bar = 252bhp = SOLD EDIT: Charade GTxx 993cc three cylinder turbo, 173bhp @ 1.4bar (should hit 200bhp with a larger throttle body, removing stupid high lift cams and a bit more boost)


DNACARS	Oct 5 2007, 06:32 PM Post #27
John Posts: 2,146 Group: Members Member #221 Joined: March 19, 2007	Well looking at that i will be happy with 150 tomorrow



Dark Blue Mark	Oct 5 2007, 07:30 PM Post #28
Help me stop buying cars... Posts: 888 Group: Members Member #86 Joined: December 30, 2006	I think its still a pretty big loss - but I know the car is performing spot on. Its either an under read by the dyno or its genuinely that the cars dont put out the quoted power. I have a whole thread of S2k's which are near bang on the quoted power. As I said though, I have a lot of time for Triton and the dyno setup was good. Who knows It will be going on a dyno day up norf before xmas so we shall see.
	Evo 8 MR 340 - modified Honda S2000 - soon to be track ready Exige S - modified - sold :boohoo:


Dark Blue Mark	Oct 5 2007, 07:32 PM Post #29
Help me stop buying cars... Posts: 888 Group: Members Member #86 Joined: December 30, 2006	Ian, Here is the ECU reset details from something I wrote for the S2ki site. Apparently my code reader won't work on the Jap ECU as its OBDI instead of II - would be keen to try it on yours one day though! http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=25&t=467545
	Evo 8 MR 340 - modified Honda S2000 - soon to be track ready Exige S - modified - sold :boohoo:


cisco	Oct 5 2007, 07:41 PM Post #30
Flat4x4xFar Posts: 2,226 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: January 21, 2007	I would have thought that both of you would have pulled more than that but real time values often differ from what it says on the box! My car did 253.6@triton in feb on a cold day. Thats after a green panel filter and cat back Hayward & Scott exhaust. To be honest was expecting a few more horses. I know my two cats are very restrictive and at that time had done 50k but to have gained a few over standard would have been nice. Was running on Shell VPower
	[GK-customfield]Manny[customfield-GK]


Dark Blue Mark	Oct 5 2007, 07:48 PM Post #31
Help me stop buying cars... Posts: 888 Group: Members Member #86 Joined: December 30, 2006	My Evo 8 did 305 there, then got what it should have - 386 at WRC. Triton have sorted a few things on their setup since then and have been getting the right results!
	Evo 8 MR 340 - modified Honda S2000 - soon to be track ready Exige S - modified - sold :boohoo:


cisco	Oct 5 2007, 07:58 PM Post #32
Flat4x4xFar Posts: 2,226 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: January 21, 2007	I would like to get mine done somewhere else at some point just as a comparison. My graph showed good power curve but the loss could not be explained, I think my at the wheels was 199 and 249 torque. I said after my Spain trip I would look into a map session with the added go faster bits, I think that time is looming closer, Just think loads more power just to sit in traffic on the Sandford road while you vtec pass me.
	[GK-customfield]Manny[customfield-GK]


vti_dan	Oct 5 2007, 08:00 PM Post #33
Doesn't have a home to go to! Posts: 991 Group: Members Member #342 Joined: July 30, 2007	ive know quite a lot of people that have had their car dynoed there and they are given power outputs readings way under the manufacturers quoted factory power, dont think its set up too good
	Nissan built an Impreza before Subaru, its called the GTi-R


Ian	Oct 5 2007, 08:17 PM Post #34
Part of team impreza Posts: 1,919 Group: Members Member #98 Joined: January 1, 2007	cheers mark will give me some thing to do tomorrow
	im not lazy im just chilled


Rossyboy99	Oct 5 2007, 09:00 PM Post #35
Unregistered	very cheap shot indeed seems as its an open forum to discuss issues freely, i suggest you dont post if your easily offended!
Unregistered


myblackwrx	Oct 5 2007, 09:14 PM Post #36
Doesn't have a home to go to! Posts: 3,873 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: December 22, 2006	Is anybody who has mentioned the 'problems' having a go on the dyno day? IMO if someone has a problem with them speak to them. Dyno Dynamics set up the r/r and it is a learning curve for Andy,Jon and co. Many people have spent money on mods and been told they should get x amount of bhp and are dissappointed when they don't get it. Jon Astley had his car done on 3 dyno dynamics and came within about 5 bhp so perhaps the D/D r/r are all like that. Please note i'm not having a go at anyone who has posted on here just pointing out that it's hard to satisfy everyone
	[GK-customfield]Paul[customfield-GK]


paullen	Oct 5 2007, 09:24 PM Post #37
Paul Lennox Posts: 4,109 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: December 22, 2006	Come along to the DJCC RR day, its much better to compare cars on the day than to just quote numbers. Everyone knows dynos all read differently. My readout was spot on for my setup at the last RR day.
	Gone is the 200, New project...1987 L200 www.lennoxservices.co.uk


DNACARS	Oct 5 2007, 09:32 PM Post #38
John Posts: 2,146 Group: Members Member #221 Joined: March 19, 2007	Well it is like this if you take the car somewhere else it will be different in each place because of lots of different thing like roller spin, friction, air, cooling, ect The best place I have found is Santa pod where it is time, I have seen people add mods and there car run slower. The reason that I use rolling roads is to see if it is all running right and you get a power reading after for free but as I said go to different roller in the same day and they will all be different. Over the year this comes up all the time and it is you over estimating the power or the rollers so just take it to Santa pod and do one run at 3000 revs and next time you have something done to the car do another run at 3000 revs. Or just use one rolling road and then you will see the different figures so do the car standard then each time you add something or just write down what cars you eat at the lights and then you know what to stay away from



cisco	Oct 5 2007, 10:24 PM Post #39
Flat4x4xFar Posts: 2,226 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: January 21, 2007	I was not trying to to disagree with the results, it was just the outcome did surprise me a little bit, I know there are many variables involved at the time of a run. Does anything put out what it should anyway? Not all engines are hand constructed to exact tolerances by a man in a white coat. Things wear out and become looser, small leaks that are hardly noticable occur from all sort of places. Turbine blades wear and distort the list is endless. I have seen the dyno results on the wall to check the figures at other places it was encouraging to see. Our test equipment at work has to be calibrated to give consistant results every time, we cant fail a car on brake efficiency one day and pass it the next. I am sure that setting up a dyno has the same procedures to insure accurate readings. What I should have done was a dyno it before my mods just to see if there was any difference as the car was standard when I got it. Power increase figures sell go faster bits we all know that. But at the end of the day spending money on a expensive moisturiser aint going to make me look 21 again.
	[GK-customfield]Manny[customfield-GK]


Ian	Oct 5 2007, 10:49 PM Post #40
Part of team impreza Posts: 1,919 Group: Members Member #98 Joined: January 1, 2007	DNACARS Oct 5 2007, 09:32 PM The reason that I use rolling roads is to see if it is all running right and you get a power reading after for free but as I said go to different roller in the same day and they will all be different. this is why i took the car to get it done not for a power reading any one that was there could tell i was not upset with the read out ect my car does the talking on the track
	im not lazy im just chilled


rob99	Oct 6 2007, 12:19 AM Post #41
Dead rising Posts: 18,371 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: October 4, 2006 Make & Model of Car 1983 Honda Civic Real Name Rob	Addding to what has been said earlier in the thread.. Each Dyno is gonna be a little different depending on many things such as airflow etc.... At the last Dyno day at Triton my car was misbehaving so I got a very low reading. I have a reading from RE Worx on their dyno so I have something to compare against this time. (when the car will be running right fingers crossed!) As Paullen said, if all cars are running on the same dyno then there will be no discrepency when comparing power to each others cars. I will also add that out of the 30+ cars that ran last year there were only a couple of people that made comment on under readings.... maybe they had got over readings previously?? We'll see on the day for sure.
	Everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Peter David Edwards. 15/10/1947 - 26/05/2008. R.I.P.


RA Jay	Oct 6 2007, 12:25 AM Post #42
4 Have Gone But Never Forgotten. Posts: 7,083 Group: Members Member #26 Joined: December 22, 2006	ian_s2k Oct 5 2007, 10:49 PM my car does the talking on the track As Ian says its about how it drives on the road that counts not the pub talk figures.. Its amazing how many people disagree with their dyno result and blame it on the equipment when in reality the car just doesnt live up to their expectation.
	1995 WRX - 318bhp/300ftlb - SOLD - 2005 2001 WRX Bugeye - 235bhp/230ftlb - SOLD - 2007 1996 WRX Type RA - 282bhp/285ftlb - SOLD - 2008 1997 STI Type RA - 350bhp/320ftlb - SOLD - 2009 1991 Nissan Pulsar GTiR - 286bhp/280ftlb - SOLD - 2009


Dark Blue Mark	Oct 6 2007, 01:21 AM Post #43
Help me stop buying cars... Posts: 888 Group: Members Member #86 Joined: December 30, 2006	I'd agree Jay, its about how it drives, but the readings should be close. In Ian's case, he should have 250 bhp as standard and has come up a whole 60 bhp short so not sure on that one. Im sure on the road the car performs great. We know Honda's dont like getting hot so maybe there is something in that, that they are pulling in ignition timing, I think Andy / John and the guys are excellent, I have used them for years and will continue to. I was watching John rebuilding an engine on the bench while I was there - hats off to them!
	Evo 8 MR 340 - modified Honda S2000 - soon to be track ready Exige S - modified - sold :boohoo:


myblackwrx	Oct 6 2007, 02:12 AM Post #44
Doesn't have a home to go to! Posts: 3,873 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: December 22, 2006	jay Oct 5 2007, 11:25 PM ian_s2k Oct 5 2007, 10:49 PM my car does the talking on the track As Ian says its about how it drives on the road that counts not the pub talk figures.. Its amazing how many people disagree with their dyno result and blame it on the equipment when in reality the car just doesnt live up to their expectation. Indeed i put in a more powerful ecu (producing an extra 20ps) but lost about 5 bhp the thing i was happier with is that the fuelling and the boost was better and feels a lot smoother to drive. As been mentioned before r/r figures are pub talk when you have to impress people.
	[GK-customfield]Paul[customfield-GK]


Paul DC2	Oct 7 2007, 09:44 PM Post #45
. Posts: 0 Group: Banned Member #14 Joined: December 22, 2006	vti_dan Oct 5 2007, 07:00 PM ive know quite a lot of people that have had their car dynoed there and they are given power outputs readings way under the manufacturers quoted factory power, dont think its set up too good Usually cos people are far too optomistic IMHO



Paul DC2	Oct 7 2007, 09:45 PM Post #46
. Posts: 0 Group: Banned Member #14 Joined: December 22, 2006	jay Oct 5 2007, 11:25 PM ian_s2k Oct 5 2007, 10:49 PM my car does the talking on the track As Ian says its about how it drives on the road that counts not the pub talk figures.. Its amazing how many people disagree with their dyno result and blame it on the equipment when in reality the car just doesnt live up to their expectation. Very true



myblackwrx	Oct 7 2007, 10:11 PM Post #47
Doesn't have a home to go to! Posts: 3,873 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: December 22, 2006	Paul DC2 Oct 7 2007, 08:44 PM vti_dan Oct 5 2007, 07:00 PM ive know quite a lot of people that have had their car dynoed there and they are given power outputs readings way under the manufacturers quoted factory power, dont think its set up too good Usually cos people are far too optomistic IMHO
	[GK-customfield]Paul[customfield-GK]


MR 8	Oct 7 2007, 10:13 PM Post #48
. Posts: 0 Group: Banned Member #5 Joined: December 22, 2006	As long as the AFR is right like you say mate if it works it works a figure doesnt mean nothing when you are passing people like they are going backwards which your s2k seems to do peeps get too hung up on bhp although i must say i did want mine to be 300 lol but hey ho My teggy never set the world alight with power readouts but it was bloody fast



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