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cultural mosaic > melting pot

And the way I see it, quite a few of the world's problems today root to US in some way or another now. And didn't you guys jump in near the end of the wars to add to the big boom of an ending, and therefore steal the glory? But I don't wanna start a big quarrel.

It's all conspiracy theories. Just like the government supposably gonna scare everyone into getting security microchips so everyone is watched. Just like the people stating Global Warming is false. Everything has to be taken with a bit of skepticism, you know?
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cultural mosaic > melting pot

And the way I see it, quite a few of the world's problems today root to US in some way or another now. And didn't you guys jump in near the end of the wars to add to the big boom of an ending, and therefore steal the glory? But I don't wanna start a big quarrel.

It's all conspiracy theories. Just like the government supposably gonna scare everyone into getting security microchips so everyone is watched. Just like the people stating Global Warming is false. Everything has to be taken with a bit of skepticism, you know?
You don't want to start this argument, because you'd lose. I've got the historical and political knowledge that you don't have. We won both world wars, and we didn't jump in near the end of them, we CREATED the end victories. If it weren't for us you'd be under Soviet or Nazi control by now. You can prattle on like a tween about how "BUSH SUXXX" and "quite a few of the world's problems today root to US" but that's only because we're dominant. Dominant powers solve and create problems, it's as easy as that, and we've solved more than we've created. You compare us to the last dominant empires like the British, Romans, and such, and we're fucking angels.
You can prattle on about "cultural mosaic > melting pot", but we have the dominant art and culture in the world that all of you copy off, and we essentially created all major contemporary genres of music in existence. Enjoy rock and roll and not being under the control of the USSR? Your fucking welcome.

I'm not some super patriotic American, but I hate that ignorant bullshit philosophy about America.
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Jan 7 2009, 08:15 PM
well I foresee much worse for Obama unfortunately. We will probably become the unites states of Africa or some dumb shit like that
Are you serious, man? :wtf:
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well I foresee much worse for Obama unfortunately. We will probably become the unites states of Africa or some dumb shit like that
Are you serious, man? :wtf:
Is it really all that surprising? Those ARE the kind of arguments you get from people who dislike Obama...of course, five minutes later they turn around and tell everyone that liking Obama is foolish and there is no proof behind his words.
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Jan 8 2009, 09:23 AM
cultural mosaic > melting pot

And the way I see it, quite a few of the world's problems today root to US in some way or another now. And didn't you guys jump in near the end of the wars to add to the big boom of an ending, and therefore steal the glory? But I don't wanna start a big quarrel.

It's all conspiracy theories. Just like the government supposably gonna scare everyone into getting security microchips so everyone is watched. Just like the people stating Global Warming is false. Everything has to be taken with a bit of skepticism, you know?
You don't want to start this argument, because you'd lose. I've got the historical and political knowledge that you don't have. We won both world wars, and we didn't jump in near the end of them, we CREATED the end victories. If it weren't for us you'd be under Soviet or Nazi control by now. You can prattle on like a tween about how "BUSH SUXXX" and "quite a few of the world's problems today root to US" but that's only because we're dominant. Dominant powers solve and create problems, it's as easy as that, and we've solved more than we've created. You compare us to the last dominant empires like the British, Romans, and such, and we're fucking angels.
You can prattle on about "cultural mosaic > melting pot", but we have the dominant art and culture in the world that all of you copy off, and we essentially created all major contemporary genres of music in existence. Enjoy rock and roll and not being under the control of the USSR? Your fucking welcome.

I'm not some super patriotic American, but I hate that ignorant bullshit philosophy about America.
Nice rant! Totally agree, and I am not from the US nor a Bush lover, I actually think he is one of the worst presidents in history (can't say worst because I don't know enough about all of them to back that up), at least when viewed from another country; He must have done something good inside the US however, or I doubt he would have gotten re-elected.

Most of the culture in Europe is soaked by influence from the US by now; We listen to American music, we watch American movies and tv-shows and we follow American clothing trends.
And it is all good, really, bar the extreme ease with which we can communicate across the globe, getting globalised and unified through such things as the above mentioned really helps people to relate on another level. When you meet a stranger, you are a lot more comfortable in the presence of someone who looks like you and shares views simuliar to yours, and we end up like that due to the sources that influence us. And no, I am not saying that it is bad to be different or that someone who dress middle-eastern is neseccarily more dangerous than someone who dress western, don't misunderstand, but if you meet either walking down the street, we both know in which case you would be most at ease with.

I think that there is a probability that US's domination of the cultural influence is going to become contested however; For a long time it has been clear that with the speed in which the economy of Asia, China specificly, was growing that in a economical sense, they would become more powerful than the US within a short period of time, if that has not already happened with the big hit US economy just took recently, and you can just look at the trends; Anime's are much more widely viewed and got much big fanbase now than 30, 20 or even just 10 years ago, and this goes through Europe and America.

And while we would all like to say that we don't change who we are from what we see on television or what we hear in the radio, everything influence us and changes on ever so slightly, so the more the genres from Asia becomes known and popular, the more we will start feeling a merge in the cultural views with them.

And that is probarly going to be a good thing as well, and while some say cultural mosaic beats a big melting pot, I think the world will first truely be peaceful when it becomes totally unified and all culturals merge completely together. Some will appreciate stuff origination from one culture, some stuff from another culture, just like some people now like anime and some don't, some like rap, some don't, and so on. But it will be so throughout the world, no place in which 1 specific culture is dominating the others, no place where laws are more restricting the population than others.
That will be a glorious day when that is archived, and on that day, people will probarly not even notice or find it special :)

But enough with the rant, dunno how I ended where I did, think my streak of thoughts got a bit derailed?
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it's not really that surprising. I live in TN with a bunch of racist bastards, and that's pretty much exactly what they were saying. So I've come to expect that type of stupidity from idiots. Some people really need to look at both sides of an opinion before they choice a side based solely on the lies of the opposing view.

he only got re-elected because of those damn midgets :argh:
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Jan 9 2009, 05:54 AM
Nice rant! Totally agree, and I am not from the US nor a Bush lover, I actually think he is one of the worst presidents in history (can't say worst because I don't know enough about all of them to back that up), at least when viewed from another country; He must have done something good inside the US however, or I doubt he would have gotten re-elected.
Not really. The 2000 election was utter bullshit. (Gore got the most votes (popular) but still managed to lose due to electoral votes) and he won the second time because America was still going through the whole ridiculously patriotic phase after 9/11 at the time, so a slight majority of the people just wanted to hang on with the guy a bit longer.

And yeah, here we are... Dx
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We won both world wars, and we didn't jump in near the end of them, we CREATED the end victories. If it weren't for us you'd be under Soviet or Nazi control by now. You can prattle on like a tween about how "BUSH SUXXX" and "quite a few of the world's problems today root to US" but that's only because we're dominant. Dominant powers solve and create problems, it's as easy as that, and we've solved more than we've created. You compare us to the last dominant empires like the British, Romans, and such, and we're fucking angels.

Well said TFE I agree
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We won both world wars, and we didn't jump in near the end of them, we CREATED the end victories. If it weren't for us you'd be under Soviet or Nazi control by now. You can prattle on like a tween about how "BUSH SUXXX" and "quite a few of the world's problems today root to US" but that's only because we're dominant. Dominant powers solve and create problems, it's as easy as that, and we've solved more than we've created. You compare us to the last dominant empires like the British, Romans, and such, and we're fucking angels.

Well said TFE I agree
He's got a point :D
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Jan 8 2009, 09:23 AM
cultural mosaic > melting pot

And the way I see it, quite a few of the world's problems today root to US in some way or another now. And didn't you guys jump in near the end of the wars to add to the big boom of an ending, and therefore steal the glory? But I don't wanna start a big quarrel.

It's all conspiracy theories. Just like the government supposably gonna scare everyone into getting security microchips so everyone is watched. Just like the people stating Global Warming is false. Everything has to be taken with a bit of skepticism, you know?
You don't want to start this argument, because you'd lose. I've got the historical and political knowledge that you don't have. We won both world wars, and we didn't jump in near the end of them, we CREATED the end victories. If it weren't for us you'd be under Soviet or Nazi control by now. You can prattle on like a tween about how "BUSH SUXXX" and "quite a few of the world's problems today root to US" but that's only because we're dominant. Dominant powers solve and create problems, it's as easy as that, and we've solved more than we've created. You compare us to the last dominant empires like the British, Romans, and such, and we're fucking angels.
You can prattle on about "cultural mosaic > melting pot", but we have the dominant art and culture in the world that all of you copy off, and we essentially created all major contemporary genres of music in existence. Enjoy rock and roll and not being under the control of the USSR? Your fucking welcome.

I'm not some super patriotic American, but I hate that ignorant bullshit philosophy about America.
I quibble with the WW1 bit US forces only started fighting in earnest in 1918 after the last ditch German offensive in the west had failed. The German army was a mess they’d been bled white. Sure Britain & France were very war weary but Kaiserine Germany would have collapsed without US involvement.

We got supplies from the US sure, but we paid for them. :colbert:

I dont know about the US being angels. I think thats mostly due to modern technology making it harder to keep evil deeds secret, but your mostly right about Britain, people bitch about the Nazi’s and the Soviets. The British Empire makes the latter look like choir boys and the former amateurs when it comes to running empires. Britain pioneered the concentration camp during the Boer War.

There’s an entire publishing industry in London dedicated to making sure the truth of our full evil ways never comes out. :sneaky:
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We won both world wars, and we didn't jump in near the end of them, we CREATED the end victories. If it weren't for us you'd be under Soviet or Nazi control by now. You can prattle on like a tween about how "BUSH SUXXX" and "quite a few of the world's problems today root to US" but that's only because we're dominant. Dominant powers solve and create problems, it's as easy as that, and we've solved more than we've created. You compare us to the last dominant empires like the British, Romans, and such, and we're fucking angels.

Well said TFE I agree
He's got a point :D
Dudes, if you're gonna post, get an opinion that hasn't been previously stated before doing so. Saying "Lulz you're right TFE!" And then nothing else is kind of pointless.
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Jan 8 2009, 09:23 AM
cultural mosaic > melting pot

And the way I see it, quite a few of the world's problems today root to US in some way or another now. And didn't you guys jump in near the end of the wars to add to the big boom of an ending, and therefore steal the glory? But I don't wanna start a big quarrel.

It's all conspiracy theories. Just like the government supposably gonna scare everyone into getting security microchips so everyone is watched. Just like the people stating Global Warming is false. Everything has to be taken with a bit of skepticism, you know?
You don't want to start this argument, because you'd lose. I've got the historical and political knowledge that you don't have. We won both world wars, and we didn't jump in near the end of them, we CREATED the end victories. If it weren't for us you'd be under Soviet or Nazi control by now. You can prattle on like a tween about how "BUSH SUXXX" and "quite a few of the world's problems today root to US" but that's only because we're dominant. Dominant powers solve and create problems, it's as easy as that, and we've solved more than we've created. You compare us to the last dominant empires like the British, Romans, and such, and we're fucking angels.
You can prattle on about "cultural mosaic > melting pot", but we have the dominant art and culture in the world that all of you copy off, and we essentially created all major contemporary genres of music in existence. Enjoy rock and roll and not being under the control of the USSR? Your fucking welcome.

I'm not some super patriotic American, but I hate that ignorant bullshit philosophy about America.
Nice rant! Totally agree, and I am not from the US nor a Bush lover, I actually think he is one of the worst presidents in history (can't say worst because I don't know enough about all of them to back that up), at least when viewed from another country; He must have done something good inside the US however, or I doubt he would have gotten re-elected.

Most of the culture in Europe is soaked by influence from the US by now; We listen to American music, we watch American movies and tv-shows and we follow American clothing trends.
And it is all good, really, bar the extreme ease with which we can communicate across the globe, getting globalised and unified through such things as the above mentioned really helps people to relate on another level. When you meet a stranger, you are a lot more comfortable in the presence of someone who looks like you and shares views simuliar to yours, and we end up like that due to the sources that influence us. And no, I am not saying that it is bad to be different or that someone who dress middle-eastern is neseccarily more dangerous than someone who dress western, don't misunderstand, but if you meet either walking down the street, we both know in which case you would be most at ease with.

I think that there is a probability that US's domination of the cultural influence is going to become contested however; For a long time it has been clear that with the speed in which the economy of Asia, China specificly, was growing that in a economical sense, they would become more powerful than the US within a short period of time, if that has not already happened with the big hit US economy just took recently, and you can just look at the trends; Anime's are much more widely viewed and got much big fanbase now than 30, 20 or even just 10 years ago, and this goes through Europe and America.

And while we would all like to say that we don't change who we are from what we see on television or what we hear in the radio, everything influence us and changes on ever so slightly, so the more the genres from Asia becomes known and popular, the more we will start feeling a merge in the cultural views with them.

And that is probarly going to be a good thing as well, and while some say cultural mosaic beats a big melting pot, I think the world will first truely be peaceful when it becomes totally unified and all culturals merge completely together. Some will appreciate stuff origination from one culture, some stuff from another culture, just like some people now like anime and some don't, some like rap, some don't, and so on. But it will be so throughout the world, no place in which 1 specific culture is dominating the others, no place where laws are more restricting the population than others.
That will be a glorious day when that is archived, and on that day, people will probarly not even notice or find it special :)

But enough with the rant, dunno how I ended where I did, think my streak of thoughts got a bit derailed?
Yeah, I mean eventually everything will be a mixed global culture, if it isn't already, but I don't see American culture losing to anyone anytime soon. I mean, what nation's cinema is even close in relevance? Artistically, yes, there is plenty of worthy foreign cinema, but that's mostly in smaller nations like France, Japan, etc. The big rivals of us, Russia, China, India, generally have HORRIBLY crappy cinema, with a few exceptions but EVERY dog has its day. Same goes for their music in general.
When it comes to music and film and art, Hollywood, MTV, we've been ontop for decades and I don't see any competition. People drink the American dream, they want our Pepsi and our cars and the wild fervor they see in us. The entire goal of the non-U.S. world has been to either mimic us while loving us or mimic us while hating us, developing their own bastardized versions of the American dream.

Though the real issue is, the world isn't big enough for more than one American dream. If India and China start getting their Middle Class on and all get cars and houses, well, resources like oil will become even more hotly contested. Wealth is finite in comparison to the growth of these countries booming in population.

Call me insensitive, but I really wouldn't mind a nice plague or two, this world's too overpopulated.

And I wouldn't really call anime something culturally relevant, it's pretty minor, people imagine EVERYONE in Japan watches anime or something. It's barely globally relevant compared to the real world of billions of entertainment-consuming masses. Kanye West and Coca Cola, now that's relevant, you ask the average joe in every country even maybe Japan if they've heard of anime and they'll just laugh and go "WUT CARTOONS R FOR BABIES".



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I quibble with the WW1 bit US forces only started fighting in earnest in 1918 after the last ditch German offensive in the west had failed. The German army was a mess they’d been bled white. Sure Britain & France were very war weary but Kaiserine Germany would have collapsed without US involvement.

I highly doubt that, Britain, Germany, and France were all equally war-weary and the loss of the Eastern front had made a difference. Without a fresh influx of new meat to be chopped apart in the killing fields, Europe would've been drained.
The role of the USA in World War I was important. They were the only major power involved that hadn't lost all but the barest thread of morale, for one thing. The French and British were a lot closer to capitulation that history admits. Germany was also exhausted, but they got a boost of sorts from Russia dropping out of the war. That also freed up all troops that had been fighting on the Eastern Front.
In supplies and in troops, they were obviously not the only contributor. Nor were they necessarily the most substantial. They were, however, more than sufficient of an addition to the overall 'stack' to tip the scales in the French and British favor. That should not be seen as an insult to the role played by others.
Many like to downplay the US role. Easily done since the US stayed out of the war till the only the last year and a half. Many insist that the United States ought to have entered sooner. The truth is, minus the Zimmerman Note, the USA probably never would have been involved. Some sources claim that the Zimmerman Note was an elaborate hoax orchestrated by Britain, but the case is a very weak one from what I've seen. Still, the general thankless attitude of the French, British and others probably put the USA firmly back to its "Isolationist" policy. There is little doubt that it has a very substantial impact on the reluctance of the United States to enter World War II. A tiny bit of gratitude could have made a world of difference.
Can anyone claim that the Allies could have won World War I without the United States? It seems extremely unlikely to me, especially after Russia quit.


I will admit the USA's role in WWI was not as decisive as its role in WWII, which meant the world, but it was still EXTREMELY decisive and turned the tide of the war completely. There is no possible way the Allies could have won World War I without US soldiers. Period. That is unquestionable. It is very obvious that, without the large flow of high morale US troops in 1918, the demoralized and very weak French and British would have simply been overwhelmed by the Germans reinforced by soldiers from the east. In fact, even with US troops the Germans almost broke thru to Paris!
The Spring Offensive by the Germans that got within SEVENTY FIVE MILES of Paris? That was AFTER US entry into the war! Imagine the result if fresh American columns weren't there to support depleted French and British Empire commands.
Therefore, the US was the deciding factor in one of the most important wars in history.

I don't mean to overstate U.S. pride and ego, but we seriously DID win both world wars and protected the world from Soviet hegemony for half a century. When I say these things, I don't mean to imply we could've done them without the help of Europe or that we're the sole ones who deserve credit, but WE were the decisive factors who provided the majority of the strength and power needed to accomplish goals.


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I dont know about the US being angels. I think thats mostly due to modern technology making it harder to keep evil deeds secret, but your mostly right about Britain, people bitch about the Nazi’s and the Soviets. The British Empire makes the latter look like choir boys and the former amateurs when it comes to running empires. Britain pioneered the concentration camp during the Boer War.

There’s an entire publishing industry in London dedicated to making sure the truth of our full evil ways never comes out.

Modern technology makes it easier and bigger, it enhances everything.

We torture a couple Arabs? WORLD NEWS. Abu Ghraib? WORLD NEWS. The slightest issue is grabbed by INTERNATIONAL TWENTY FOUR HOUR NETWORKS and replayed and exploded and replayed. Are you KIDDING me?

The world is interconnected now, there is NO divide or halt in information. In the 19th Century, the British could (and did frequently) massacre and commit genocide on say, hundreds of Indians or Afghans, and who the fuck would know? The natives that survived? The soldiers? And how would news ever spread or be confirmed? Now, you can go on the internet, watch multiple international non-stop news networks on your TV, information is EVERYWHERE and constantly highlighted and enhanced until it's more and more important.

If anything the U.S. gets a bad rap! We've done horrible things, but like I said, we're like angels compared to previous superpowers, and the stuff we do is more enhanced and promoted in this modern technological age. Like you said, we may NEVER know the full truth of say, British atrocities or for that fact any of the atrocities committed by the Old World and Europe. Russians, French, whatever. They were all murderous worthless bastards who preyed on the Third World and slaughtered hundreds of thousands. And they wrote history, which makes it even more convenient, imagine if we actually had accurate histories of their full atrocities! :D
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