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Bastard Mod Mafia SCUM/SURVIVOR WIN; Game Over, Insert Coins to Continue
Topic Started: Jan 7 2008, 07:57 PM (4,164 Views)
Annorax


ALIVE
RedBldSandman, Mafia Roleblocker
teh_pimp, Mafia Mason Infiltrator

blah, Survivor


NOT SO ALIVE:
Ultimate Danny, Sane Cop (Lynched)
Cloud Kasumi Akane, Mason (Cum soaked face)
Greasy Spot, Quack Doctor (suicide)
Desyphur, Masturbator (Lynched)
Jeff, Mason (Lynched)
piano rock, Insane Cop (Nightkilled)
Master Senax, Naive Cop (Lynched)

TFE, Poison Serial Killer (Nightkilled)
Qw!, Reflecting Townie (Lynched)
Iceforge, Mafia Godfather (Delayed poison effect)

A Papaya, Doctor (Nightkilled)
At Any Cost, Paranoid Cop (Endgamed)


GAME OVER
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Jeff
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Jan 27 2008, 05:14 PM
Knowing Annorax, I'm 99% sure there's a scum-mason, only because the guy seems to love that role. So we need to be wary...

If that were the case, you all only have two to possibly choose from.

In any case, I'm sticking with my original Vote: Lich. If you need me to explain, you're probably oblivious. The random killings, yadda yadda.
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Kaworu's eyes suddenly widened in anger and exertion, putting a good deal of spiritual power and physical strength into himself as he slammed his spear shaft vertically forward against Jeff's locked blade to send him back.

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Qw!
Jan 28 2008, 12:12 AM
Iceforge, in that post you are assuming all deaths are townie. If that was the case then optimal town play would always be to no lynch.

ARGH! okay, now lets me repeat this one more time, for the slow out there.

Lets assume that Desyphur is speaking the truth all the way, as you seem to be assuming! Then he is town himself, he is going to die tonight no matter what as he will suicide instead of random killing someone/killing an inactive.

If we lynch Desyphur:
1 Townie dies today (Desyphur through lynch)
X Townies will die through NKs tonight (Mafia NK + others, X is the same no matter what we do today, unless we hit a neutral killer)

= 1+x Townies dead

If we Lynch someone else, it depends on how high a chance you think we have of hitting scum.

I think that currently with the suspicions and basis we got, the chance is slim, hence I think the most likely scenario is:

1 Townie dies today (Innocent Lynched)
1 Townie dies tonight (Desyphur Suicide)
X Townies die through NKs tonight (see above)

= 2+x Townies dead

If one thinks that we got a high chance of hitting scum today with our current knowledge that could change to the following:

1 Scum dies today (Scum lynched)
1 Townie dies tonight (Desyphur Suicide)
X Townies die through NKs tonight (see above)

= 1 Scum dead, 1+x Townies dead

Sure, I can see the advantage in lynching someone else if the following two criteria is meet:

1) Desyphur/The Lich is telling the truth
2) The chance of hitting scum is high with our current knowledge

Criteria 1: I don't know, but I dont see a reason to risk it being wrong, unless a high chance in criteria 2 is meet

Criteria 2: I for a period thought the chance to hit scum by lynching Redbld was high, but he made me doubt that, so I switched back to the logic alternative, i.e. not risking Desyphur being a liar.

Oh, if Criteria 1 is wrong and we don't lynch Desyphur today, then tomorrows lynch is already wasted, as we can't risk having a known killer surviving in the long run.
It should also be noted that tomorrow we will have at least as much knowledge as today + what we can gain from lynch and nightkills, so if both Criteria 1 and 2 is wrong and we don't lynch Desyphur, we will be wasting a more valueable lynch than the lynch today even if they was both right.

So no, Qw!, voting No Lynch will give us NOTHING that voting Desyphur won't give.
Lynching him does the same as No Lynch normally, if he is telling the truth, that is, as then he dies during daytime instead of nighttime, NO LOSS
No Lynch and Desyphur lying give us 1 days wasted lynch.

How hard is that to see?
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Qw!


I'm pretty certain Lich is telling the truth. If you are happy to believe there's a scum mason, then, with the sane cop gone, we have to lynch one of them at some point.

There not being a scum mason makes no sense for the type of game this is.
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A Papaya
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Ok, here's what I can deduce:

Let's assume Qw! is telling the truth about his role.
Then he had to random kill someone last night. Let's say that person was Kasumi.
Then, assuming The Doc targeted himself but accidentally killed himself, what did the mafia do? Fizzle on an NK vs. the real Doc?

Or we could assume that Qw! is bullshitting us and Lynch him. Same with Desyphur.

So what do you all think?
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EBWOPD: Switch the names of "Qw!" and "Desyphur".
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I'm agreeing with TFE here thinking there is probably a scummason here. So perhaps we should vote Teh_pimp or Jeff. I mean yes, Desyphur is a killer. But if he masturbates tonight, more than likely Senax or Blah will die. And they could be scum thats either lurking or just inactive. But they could also be town...so i dunno. Its a risk. but every lynch is a risk in mafia usually.

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piano rock
Jan 28 2008, 03:25 AM
I'm agreeing with TFE here thinking there is probably a scummason here. So perhaps we should vote Teh_pimp or Jeff. I mean yes, Desyphur is a killer. But if he masturbates tonight, more than likely Senax or Blah will die. And they could be scum thats either lurking or just inactive. But they could also be town...so i dunno. Its a risk. but every lynch is a risk in mafia usually.

Any of the supposed Masons you find particularly suspicious? Or maybe the scum mason is still silent...
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It's really a guess thing and such. i am not sure who to pick. But i say we either let Desyphur die tonight or kill an inactive person....and hope it kills an inactive maf. And we lynch Jeff or Pimp. thats just my guess here. We are more than likely losing 1-2 townies before the morning. But i really have no fucking clue what to do today...I'm lost myself.

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Jan 27 2008, 07:55 PM
piano rock
Jan 28 2008, 03:25 AM
I'm agreeing with TFE here thinking there is probably a scummason here.  So perhaps we should vote Teh_pimp or Jeff.  I mean yes, Desyphur is a killer.  But if he masturbates tonight, more than likely Senax or Blah will die.  And they could be scum thats either lurking or just inactive.  But they could also be town...so i dunno.  Its a risk.  but every lynch is a risk in mafia usually.

Any of the supposed Masons you find particularly suspicious? Or maybe the scum mason is still silent...

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Kaworu's eyes suddenly widened in anger and exertion, putting a good deal of spiritual power and physical strength into himself as he slammed his spear shaft vertically forward against Jeff's locked blade to send him back.

"And you would give your life for such a meaningless task? Delaying me will not halt my goals."

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A Papaya
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I think that if we are to lynch a Mason, it should be pimp. Popping in to say "I'm a mason" is a bit scummy.
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EBWOPD:
Actually I'd rather Lynch Jeff. He seems to be pushing awfully hard to lynch Desyphur despite the good chance that Desy will off himself or a scum tonight.
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Jan 28 2008, 08:38 AM
EBWOPD:
Actually I'd rather Lynch Jeff. He seems to be pushing awfully hard to lynch Desyphur despite the good chance that Desy will off himself or a scum tonight.

Hmm. Jeff said Cloud was innocent, but if we wanted to lynch him to get the game going it was ok. Perhaps that's not the kind of thing an innocent mason says about their partner.
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Jan 28 2008, 12:41 PM
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Jan 28 2008, 08:38 AM
EBWOPD:
Actually I'd rather Lynch Jeff. He seems to be pushing awfully hard to lynch Desyphur despite the good chance that Desy will off himself or a scum tonight.

Hmm. Jeff said Cloud was innocent, but if we wanted to lynch him to get the game going it was ok. Perhaps that's not the kind of thing an innocent mason says about their partner.

Jeff could've not been lying at all. The scum mason knows who of their mason brethren aren't mafia. So what he said is completely true. I say Vote: Jeff because I don't know what else i want to do.

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piano rock
Jan 28 2008, 07:20 PM
Qw!
Jan 28 2008, 12:41 PM
A Papaya
Jan 28 2008, 08:38 AM
EBWOPD:
Actually I'd rather Lynch Jeff. He seems to be pushing awfully hard to lynch Desyphur despite the good chance that Desy will off himself or a scum tonight.

Hmm. Jeff said Cloud was innocent, but if we wanted to lynch him to get the game going it was ok. Perhaps that's not the kind of thing an innocent mason says about their partner.

Jeff could've not been lying at all. The scum mason knows who of their mason brethren aren't mafia. So what he said is completely true. I say Vote: Jeff because I don't know what else i want to do.

I think that is very thin to vote Jeff on. He has previously been semi-harassed for being a newb and the assumption there is that he knows that bastard mafia game mason groups usually have a scum in them. A newb would naturally assume all mason buddies to be pro-town.
But I could be wrong.
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Vote: Jeff

Yeah yeah, it's OMGUS, but whatever.
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Meh, that's not much mafia skill, there were like, four people left other than you and you went: "IT'S ONE OF THOSE FOUR PEOPLE :argh: "
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