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| Topic Started: Sunday, 10. February 2008, 19:05 (10 Views) | |
| Derekap | Sunday, 10. February 2008, 19:05 Post #1 |
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At one time I understood that there should be no organ during Holy Mass during Lent. Mind you, it was not always observed. Can any of our Front Pew Lawyers enlighten us as to the present position? I am not complaining or criticising, just interested. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 11. February 2008, 00:09 Post #2 |
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Derek I cannot remember that custom, but I would love to attend the occasional Sunday Mass without music. During the Offertory I would rather read from the missal than sing. Whilst queueing to receive Holy Communion and for a few minutes afterwards, I do not sing because I consider it inappropriate. We each have a few precious minutes after receiving the body and blood of Jesus. To me they are rather personal moments, not for sharing with "the community". |
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| Lilo | Monday, 11. February 2008, 18:37 Post #3 |
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I'm guessing because it never officially existed? Here are extensive answers to the question: http://www.canticanova.com/articles/feedback/arte81.htm and https://www.ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/ZLITUR60.HTM CNP Feedback - Organ Music during Lent? As far as I can remember, we always sang with organ accompaniment during Lent, and any hymnal we check is likely to have Lenten hymns complete with accompaniment. We stopped using the organ and any other instrument from after the Gloria on Holy Thursday until the same at the Easter Vigil. But in researching my reply, I was surprised to discover that this, too, was never mandated by Church documents. So it is possible that Derek remembers a custom from his background that Rose does not remember from hers simply because different parishes or dioceses had different customs? |
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| Derekap | Monday, 11. February 2008, 21:45 Post #4 |
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I am used to the custom of singing a hymn during the collection but then concentrating on the celebrant and us offering the bread and wine to Almighty God. When I watch Holy Mass on Boston Catholic TV of course there is no collection. Sometimes someone sings a hymn, sometimes there is just organ music. This irritates me because I like to hear clearly what the celebrant is saying and responding accordingly. Of course in the heydays of the Extraordinary Rite it was common practice for the choir to sing a hymn during the Offertory of High or Sung Holy Mass. In those days I did not object and in fact sometimes enjoyed it. But then I felt the celebrant was offering alone on our behalf. I can't quite decide whether to approve of hymns being sung during the distribution of Holy Communion. Anyway I sometimes think the choice could be more appropiate. Perhaps if a good choir is available and sang something like Pane Angelicus softly it would be better. |
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| Lilo | Monday, 11. February 2008, 22:34 Post #5 |
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And not just you, Rose. The parish our oldest belongs to has an early Sunday Mass that never has music. It is well attended . . . by our son & family in part because they can't stand the music at the other liturgies. |
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| Fortunatus | Wednesday, 13. February 2008, 22:46 Post #6 |
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The rubrics for the Triduum call for the bells to be rung and the organ to be played during the Gloria on Holy Thursday, after which they should be silent until the Easter Vigil. By the way, Derek, is there any chance I could prevail on you not to use the term "the heyday of the Extraordinary rite"? The Tridentine Mass was the normative Mass of the Roman Church for the best part of 1500 years. You write as if it were some sort of passing fad that enjoyed a relatively brief popularity and then faded away, a concept I find a little offensive. |
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| Quicunque vult | Wednesday, 13. February 2008, 23:31 Post #7 |
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Fortunatus Yes indeed. The Extraordinary Form is on its way back, slowly at first, gradually, but surely. Deo gratias! QV |
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| Derekap | Thursday, 14. February 2008, 22:28 Post #8 |
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Fortunatis. I do not wish to be offensive with the remarks: "The heydays of The Extraordinary Rite". I am merely referring to the time before the Ordinary Rite virtually became the normal practice. I often feel that critics of the Ordinary Rite give the mistaken impression that everything was perfect in the days when the Extraordinary Rite was the norm and would be again if it again became the norm. |
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| CARLO | Friday, 22. February 2008, 00:31 Post #9 |
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Everything was a great deal better Derek. Oremus Let us pray CARLO |
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| CARLO | Friday, 22. February 2008, 00:33 Post #10 |
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The present 'orders' are that during Lent music should be used only to accompany singing so no musical interludes to accompany the action or 'nice little tunes' as my Parish Priest is fond of saying. Veritas Truth CARLO |
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| Rose of York | Thursday, 17. November 2011, 14:42 Post #11 |
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If any of you have access to other new settings, please post them here. It will be interesting to compare them. http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=19320
The links take you to video and sound of the new settings, and some good explanations from Mike the composer, for some of the changes. Each link shows a selection of videos. The music seems to me, ideal for a congregation composed of good, bad and medium singers. Accompaniment is by modern instruments. Nothing reminiscent of the sixties, it will also sound good played on a pipe organ, if the sheet music is available. |
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