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adoption by same sex partners
Topic Started: Saturday, 26. January 2013, 12:32 (261 Views)
paul

Does an adoptive child have a human right to a male father and female mother? If so, should this prevent same sex partners from assuming that they have a human right to adopt?
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OsullivanB

The answer to your first question is no. Therefore your second question doesn't arise.

If the answer to your first question was yes, the right would be violated by the death of a parent.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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paul

Perhaps I had better re-phrase my question to: Should an adoptive child have a human right to a male father and female mother to enable that child to develop naturally?
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OsullivanB

I have brought up my male partner's daughter from the age of eight to her present age of nineteen (and continue to do so). I think she has developed just fine.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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paul
Saturday, 26. January 2013, 12:48
Perhaps I had better re-phrase my question to: Should an adoptive child have a human right to a male father and female mother to enable that child to develop naturally?
Looks suspiciously like the same question to me. I have no children, you will all be relieved to know, but I know of a priest who became the legal guardian of his sisters child. The child continued to go to boarding school but in the holidays the priest did his best to be a good parent however after a couple of years another relative was able to take on the duties and responsibilities of being the child's legal guardian. I am not an advocate of single sex couples being allowed to adopt children as a general norm but there are circumstances were to be adopted by a same sex couple is perhaps the best option and I think each case should be judged on its merits.
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Definition of marriage
noun

1the formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife

Origin:

Middle English: from Old French mariage, from marier 'marry'


By whose authority can the Government of the United Kingdom change the meaning of a word derived from the French language?

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Definition of horse
noun

1a solid-hoofed plant-eating domesticated mammal with a flowing mane and tail, used for riding, racing, and to carry and pull loads.


If HM Government decree that my golden retriever is a horse, due to them having changed the meaning of words, my dog will neigh his head off.

Keep the Faith!

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OsullivanB

Be careful. Horses are already in hamburgers - hot dogs may well be next.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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OsullivanB

Statutes can do anything with language that the lawmaker chooses:

Consider the fact that Congress once passed legislation declaring that 'September 16, 1940 means June 27, 1950.' In New Zealand, the law says that a 'day' means a period of 72 hours, while an Australian statute defines 'citrus fruit' to include eggs. To American lawyers, a 22-year-old document is 'ancient,' while a 17-year-old person is an 'infant.' At one time or another, the law has defined 'dead person' to include nuns, 'daughter' to include son, and 'cow' to include horse; it has even declared white to be black.

Town Police Clauses Act 1847
 
The word “cattle” shall include horses, asses, mules, sheep, goats, and swine.


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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paul

in reply to O'sullivan's comment, how does your male partner's daughter feel at not having a mother to turn to especially during puberty?
What lasting psychological damage may be done to her with regard to sexuality and relationships?

As a father of two now adult married daughters they "naturally" consulted my wife (their mother) during puberty.

In my opinion every child has a right to a male and female parent, even if adopted. The same sex partners have no right to a child.
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paul
Saturday, 26. January 2013, 19:18
in reply to O'sullivan's comment, how does your male partner's daughter feel at not having a mother to turn to especially during puberty?
What lasting psychological damage may be done to her with regard to sexuality and relationships?

As a father of two now adult married daughters they "naturally" consulted my wife (their mother) during puberty.

In my opinion every child has a right to a male and female parent, even if adopted. The same sex partners have no right to a child.
Fine. I have a sister; my partner has sisters. And her mother was available, though living in another country.

None.

OK. Your experience is specific to your family.

Wrong.

No-one has "a right to a child". Bizarre concept.

Any other questions?

Gratuitously, I will tell you that the reason she came to live with us is that her stepfather beat her, and I chose to share my home and prosperity rather than to leave a child in that situation. Any comment on that proposition?
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Saturday, 26. January 2013, 13:28
I have no children, you will all be relieved to know...
You may not have always been a Priest Penfold.

A Priest I knew of only became one after his wife died and he had grown up children, and I dare say went on to become a Grandfather.

A 'conundrum' of being a celebate Priest with a family! ;)
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Bernard says it all. This is a messy old world and any action that takes a child out of a difficult or dangerous situation and provides them with a safe nurturing home is a golden deed and the people who do it are heroes although they would all probably cringe at the description. It matters little how that safe home is "staffed". Traditional families are not automatically safe for children as we all know so there is no magic blueprint

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paul
Saturday, 26. January 2013, 19:18
in reply to O'sullivan's comment, how does your male partner's daughter feel at not having a mother to turn to especially during puberty?
Paul would you have asked that question if a young widower raised his daughter himself after his wife's death? What about boys brought up by widowed mothers?
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My cousin Ismail was widowed when his daughter was 12 and son was 10. While of course they missed their mother terribly, their Dad saw them safely through their teenage years on his own. Both are very happy, well adjusted kids. they also have a gay uncle, happily married to his partner of nearly 20 years.

When I worked in Social Services I saw a lot of hideous heterosexual parents, inflicting all kinds of damage on their children. The key requirement for being a parent as far as I'm concerned is that you love your children and support them, not what sex you are.
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paul

Rose, my question was centred around adoption, not sad cases of widows or widowers. In those cases we have obvious parental ties who would no doubt hopefully be supported by family.

Obviously, there are exceptions to every situation, my point is a point of principle. I think the church is quite clear in its teaching with regard to adoption by same sex partners.
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