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wearing of religious insignia
Topic Started: Tuesday, 15. January 2013, 20:22 (306 Views)
paul

The recent news about Christians wearing a cross has generated a hot debate. Is a turban or burqa a religious requirement? Is the current debate biased against Christianity?
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The current debate is not biased against Christianity.

There is no religious requirement for a muslim woman to wear a burqa. Only a minority completely hide their faces. Many cover the lower part of the face with a veil. Some do not cover any part of the face. Beliefs and practices vary among different sects of Islam.

In 2007 a muslim woman teaching assistant lost her job in a Church of England school over her insistence on covering her face with a veil whilst teaching.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aishah_Azmi

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Azmi had maintained that the wearing of a niqab was a personal decision,[citation needed] although towards the end of October the Sunday Times published an article claiming that her decision was actually made following a consultation with a local Islamic cleric, Mufti Yusuf Sacha at the Tablighi mosque in Dewsbury. Sacha issued a fatwa stating that it was obligatory for women to wear the niqab in the presence of men who were not their blood relatives, and this would include Azmi wearing a niqab whilst working with children.[4] However this fatwa on wearing the niqab is strongly disputed by other British Muslim clerics.



The same laws apply to all, whatever their religion.
Keep the Faith!

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I agree with Rose and was very glad that the woman who wanted to wear a cross was vindicated at the European Court today. Also I agreed with the Court decision to disallow the appeal by the other 3 applicants. This balanced outcome was exactly right in my view. There is no conspiracy agaainst Christians and no need for us to pretend that we are under siege. Criticism is much fiercer now than in the past but this is good and our arguments should be good enough to counter and indeed capitalise on this. In most cases our arguments are good enough and thus our position is secure, but in a few high profile cases our arguments are poor, badly argued and presented, and not surprisingly we find ourselves criticised
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John Sweeney
Tuesday, 15. January 2013, 23:53
I agree with Rose and was very glad that the woman who wanted to wear a cross was vindicated at the European Court today.
Two cases heard today related to women wearing crosses whilst dressed in uniform. One won her case. The other did not, that was due to her wanting to wear it when on duty as a nurse. I do not see what she was complaining about a crucifix with a figure will harbour germs, and so can the chain. If I had been her patient, I would have raised objections. Her crucifix was on quite a long chain. Hospital management offered the nurse a compromise, we wear it on a short chain or on her lapel. She refused.
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OsullivanB

My understanding is that a turban is required for Sikh men by their religion.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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OsullivanB
Wednesday, 16. January 2013, 02:27
My understanding is that a turban is required for Sikh men by their religion.
It is and that is why the armed forces permit Sikhs to wear turbans with uniform.
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I can understand the appeal of the nurse being disallowed because she was wearing the crucifix (or plain cross) on a long chain but I disasgree with the other appeals being disallowed. After all there were other officials who could have officiated at 'civil weddings' of same sex partners. Also the counsellor would unlikely to be neutral in a problem of same sex partnerships or 'marriages'. There would surely be other counsellors.
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Gerard

I agree Derek, but we have begun to see that concience is no longer allowed. This is heading towards nurses being required to assist in abortions. Which could mean nursing being closed to catholics. Other professionbs might follow similar paths. The letter of 1000 priests was indicating that twe are headed in this direction.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Gerard

P.S.

The nurse who continued with the legal action despite jewelery for everyone being disallowed due to infection control and despite being offered a compromise of a small lapel cross, did us a real diservice.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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I wonder what the reaction from an officer or a sergeant of The Black Watch or The Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders would have been had I turned out on parade in a turban or wearing a crucifix in my preliminary training days in Queen's Barracks in Perth (Scotland).
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OsullivanB

He almost certainly would have been surprised to find an Indian in the ranks at all - whatever his headgear.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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OsullivanB
Wednesday, 16. January 2013, 15:11
He almost certainly would have been surprised to find an Indian in the ranks at all - whatever his headgear.
That is allowed now, it would not have been when Derek enlisted. In the sixties I knew an airman who wore a turban of the RAF regulation colour of blue. It would not have entered my head to complain about not being allowed to wear a crucifix round my neck when wearing uniform. The rule was, wedding rings could be worn. Engagement rings could be worn, but not when hygiene was relevant as in catering or nursing.

The best way to manifest one's Christian faith is to make people aware of it, be seen to practice it, and by love of one's neighbour. It it possible to wear a crucifix and not care tuppence about one's neighbour!
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Rose wrote:

"The best way to manifest one's Christian faith is to make people aware of it, be seen to practice it, and by love of one's neighbour. It it possible to wear a crucifix and not care tuppence about one's neighbour!"

I agree!
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OsullivanB
Wednesday, 16. January 2013, 15:11
He almost certainly would have been surprised to find an Indian in the ranks at all - whatever his headgear.
He may now be surprised to find a recruit indigenous to these islands!
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A tattoo???
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