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pontius Pilate
Topic Started: Thursday, 22. November 2012, 16:42 (276 Views)
paul

I think he was an honorable man, he was not aware why Christ had been brought before him and democratically informed the people that he found no fault in him and washed his hands of the matter, leaving them to decide on the outcome. He carried out the law as proscribed at that time.

Where is he now? In purgatory, heaven or hell. I believe he is in heaven and was selected by God to perform the role in this way.
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paul
Thursday, 22. November 2012, 16:42
Where is he now? In purgatory, heaven or hell. I believe he is in heaven and was selected by God to perform the role in this way.
Jesus had not broken Roman law, that is why Pilate handed him over for trial according to Jewish law.

Pilate's eternal destination would be determined according to the state of his soul at death. That would not depend solely on his actions and motives at the trial of Jesus. Only God has the means of knowing what he did, right or wrong, in his private life, or whether he had committed serious sins and died refusing to repent. God alone can judge the state of a person's soul.
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paul

Pilate was not a church member, surely in catholic teaching he cannot therefore be saved?
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Paul, I believe Heaven will be full of Christians and non-Christians. God will judge everyone according to his/her knowledge and experience and way of life. Whether they go via Purgatory will be up to God's Judgement. Catholics, of course, can avoid Purgatory if they perform some kind of Penance (including prayer) or fulfil specific Indulgences. I do not believe it is necessary to be a Catholic to go to Heaven and, very sadly, some Catholics may go to Hell! Obviously God will also accept the Penance of non-Catholics.





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paul
Thursday, 22. November 2012, 20:10
Pilate was not a church member, surely in catholic teaching he cannot therefore be saved?
there is no record of Mary mother of Jesus being baptised so define church member?
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I think there is a reference in one of the Gospels to people 'whose blood Pilate mingled with that of their sacrifices' which may implicate him in what we would now view as a war crime
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paul
Thursday, 22. November 2012, 20:10
Pilate was not a church member, surely in catholic teaching he cannot therefore be saved?
I knew this topic rang a bell, I had a feeling we had a similar discussion before.

Paul, you now suggest (mistakenly) that only Catholics can be saved. How come you have changed your mind?
Topic - St. Pontius Pillate
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am currently reading a book about the apostles creed. It analyzes each statement in turn. Yesterday I read that both the Coptic and Syrian Churches venerate Pontius Pillate as a Saint.

Do we need to look at this? Was he a special person who refused to condemn Christ? Should the church reward him as we do martyrs/

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garfield
Thursday, 22. November 2012, 21:59
I think there is a reference in one of the Gospels to people 'whose blood Pilate mingled with that of their sacrifices' which may implicate him in what we would now view as a war crime
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Luke 13:1 RSV
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There were some present at that very time who told him of the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.


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Even in Pilate was a war criminal, that would not bar his entry into Heaven if he repented. God's forgiveness is always available to people who are truly sorry for their sins, however serious.
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paul

Rose are you suggesting that when we arrive at the pearly gates provided we repent the gates will be opened?
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paul
Friday, 23. November 2012, 15:44
Rose are you suggesting that when we arrive at the pearly gates provided we repent the gates will be opened?
I can not speak for Rose but the basis of Christian teaching is that all people may be saved if they repent. There is no time scale quoted by Christ all he asks is that when called to account. If we repent before that moment comes then the Kingdom of God is open to us, if we repent after that moment then the Lord alone will judge if we repented in time. Personally I prefer to work on the basis of best to be prepared than leave things to the last minute.
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paul
Friday, 23. November 2012, 15:44
Rose are you suggesting that when we arrive at the pearly gates provided we repent the gates will be opened?
I agree with all the Penfold said in his post, made 17 minutes ago.

I did not say that every person who repents goes to Heaven immediately after death. If you want to know about the Catholic Church's teaching about Purgatory help is at hand in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P2N.HTM#6
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CONSCIENCE

This was not to be your day
Wife up the previous night
Keeping you awake
“Hallucinations”
You groaned hard heartedly

Then the whining red faced priests
With their wagging fingers
And trumped up charges
Against the Galilean
A harmless kind of dreamer

And despite his insolence
You felt only pity
Had no stomach for it
The mob’s hypocrisy
Begging to free a brigand

But later grown weary
Tired and intimidated
You plunged both hands deeply
Into the bowl’s cold water
Washing away all conscience


(c)CARLO.2012
Judica me Deus
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tomais

A perfect coalition symbo2012 AD
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paul

The jewish histoian Josephus describes pontius pilate as a greedy and ruthless prefect who had little regard for the local jewish population and their religious practices.
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