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purgatory
Topic Started: Thursday, 22. November 2012, 16:38 (333 Views)
paul

I assume that the state of purgatory is also a process of enlightenment not only purging of one's sins. I am destined for purgatory and assume that all of the questions that I have posed on this forum will be answered definitely!!

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Gerard

Don't aim for purgatory - you might miss :oops:

Gerry
Edited by Gerard, Thursday, 22. November 2012, 17:33.
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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paul
Thursday, 22. November 2012, 16:38
I am destined for purgatory
How do you know that?

Negative person says "I am destined for purgatory" (or hell)

Positive person says "I am destined to go straight to Heaven."

Wise person does not know what he will get up between now and the hour of death, so cannot accurately forecast his destination (or stopping-off point) until he knows it for a fact, and then he's physically dead.

Paul I assume you are still physically alive. If you are dead please advise members so we can do a prayer request for your soul.


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Keep the Faith!

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paul

I would not be so presumptive and assume that I am going to heaven. It has nothing to do with being positive or negative, I am just being realistic and realise that on this earth I could never achieve the level of grace to get me through those pearly gates.

Unfortunately, Rose I am still living, it was extremely nice of you to offer to pray for my soul in the event of my demise. Perhaps you might manage a few prayers for me as matters stand? I promise to remember you in my prayers now not after your death, isn't that a nice Christian approach?

I believe Christ said that whoever believes in me will have eternal life. Perhaps that is heaven, or purgatory?
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Derekap
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Our Church doesn't teach that life in Purgatory is eternal. Anyone going there does eventually go to Heaven which is why we pray and offer Holy Mass for the souls who are there.
Edited by Derekap, Friday, 23. November 2012, 14:02.
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I was always taught that there are flames in Purgatory but they are not as hot as the flames in hell!

Salva nos
Save us


CARLO

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Judica me Deus
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My view --personal opinion--is that purgatory, hell and heaven are very clever and powerful parables to help us order our lives. To me it is obvious that they are not actual places and I don't believe that the Church expects us to believe literally in them as physical destinations.

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John Sweeney
Wednesday, 12. December 2012, 00:16
My view --personal opinion--is that purgatory, hell and heaven are very clever and powerful parables to help us order our lives. To me it is obvious that they are not actual places and I don't believe that the Church expects us to believe literally in them as physical destinations.

John
Very powerful indeed. They would be. The man who taught about them is God the Son.
Keep the Faith!

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CARLO
Tuesday, 11. December 2012, 23:20
I was always taught that there are flames in Purgatory but they are not as hot as the flames in hell!

Salva nos
Save us


CARLO

:betterLatin:
Fuelled from E.ONs?

Were you taught what it is that they heat?
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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CARLO
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Yes - they heat the souls of those not yet ready to enter heaven.

When they have suffered enough they may enter heaven.

Prayers for the holy souls in Purgatory help to get them out faster.

That's what I was taught.

You asked!

Veritas
Truth

CARLO

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Edited by CARLO, Thursday, 13. December 2012, 00:33.
Judica me Deus
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OsullivanB

It was, of course, at best, some kind of metaphor, at worst, nonsense.

I hope you weren't always taught that. Surely when you went to big school they taught you better.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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CARLO
Tuesday, 11. December 2012, 23:20
I was always taught that there are flames in Purgatory but they are not as hot as the flames in hell!
I gather your school did not teach from the Penny Catechism!

There is also a newer, much bigger catechism.

Nowhere in either of them will you read that nonsense, and I guess you know there is nothing to say there is a physical fire. Anyway as souls are purely spirit it would take a funny kind of flame to burn them.

Enough of this garbage! We have here an opportunity to teach casual browsers who really do want to understand Catholicism.

The doctrine of Purgatory is explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P2N.HTM#1H

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III. The Final Purification, or Purgatory

1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.604 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. the tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:605

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.606

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."607 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.608 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.609



604 Cf. Council of Florence (1439): DS 1304; Council of Trent (1563): DS 1820; (1547): 1580; see also Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336): DS 1000.


605 Cf. ⇒ 1 Cor 3:15; ⇒ 1 Pet 1:7.


606 St. Gregory the Great, Dial. 4, 39: PL 77, 396; cf. ⇒ Mt 12:31.


607 ⇒ 2 Macc 12:46.


608 Cf. Council of Lyons II (1274): DS 856.


609 St. John Chrysostom, Hom. in 1 Cor. 41, 5: PG 61, 361; cf. ⇒ Job 1:5.


1 Corinthians Chapter 3 Verse 15
 
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.


NB St Paul wrote "as through fire", he did not right "through fire".
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OsullivanB
Wednesday, 12. December 2012, 01:04
CARLO
Tuesday, 11. December 2012, 23:20
I was always taught that there are flames in Purgatory but they are not as hot as the flames in hell!

Salva nos
Save us


CARLO

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Fuelled from E.ONs?

Were you taught what it is that they heat?
Heaven may not be able to pay E ON much longer, if the charges increase at the present rate, so we may face an Antartic Purgatory.
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tomais

Omit any reference to Christianity and simply insert-pagan belief; then monitor the replies.
The TV programme last night on Rome will be considerably upsetting to many,who were perhaps looking forward to s pot of purgatory.
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paul

my wife purges me of my sins daily!!
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