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Repentant Sinners
Topic Started: Sunday, 11. November 2012, 19:51 (674 Views)
Rose of York
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Gerard
Tuesday, 13. November 2012, 12:51
Well, in recent years I have sat through many sermons and talks where the word metanoia has been parsed, explained etc. Usually giving a meaning of to turn around or to change ones mind. It seemed to be something of a trend or fashion.

But I claim no expertise here.

Gerry
I cannot see the point in discussing theology of repentance. It is glaringly obvious that people who do wrong should face up to their misdeeds, be sorry, apologise and if possible make amends. I learned this from the old Penny Catechism, hardly a difficult work of theology, in preparation for First Confession when I was a child aged seven.

If we do not repent and carry on in our own selfish ways, others suffer for it. It is obviously not good for society, and Christians know it is an offence against God.
Keep the Faith!

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Penfold
Tuesday, 13. November 2012, 09:06
What a wonderful human world you create. Where sinners need not repent just bask in the Lords loving kindness ... Console your selves if you wish that you may remain a sinner and ignore the call to repentance ... But go on twisting the tale till it fits your story and your interests.
I think it is fairly clear to people here who is doing the twisting here - I never suggested that sinners need not repent, on the contrary, I specifically said that I wasn't suggesting that.

Your response, sadly, is fairly typical of an increasingly prevalent attitude in our Church where simply asking a question or seeking explanation is treated as virtual heresy.
Edited by Mairtin, Tuesday, 13. November 2012, 16:30.
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Gerard
Tuesday, 13. November 2012, 10:42
I am sure you know already that repentance means to turn around. To go in another (the opposite) direction. In this sence, even if Zacheus was a man of integrity he may well have been pursuing wealth and by giving half of it away it shows that he is now pursuing Jesus. He has turned around.
Leaving Zacheus aside for a moment, where does it say that the Samaritan woman recognised that she was in sin in or that Jesus even indicated a need for her to repent?

(This question should really be addressed to Penfold but he seems to have more inclination for attacking me than for for actually supporting his claim that Jesus condemned the actions of the woman at the well.)
Edited by Mairtin, Tuesday, 13. November 2012, 16:38.
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Gerard

Quite simply Mairtin - it doesn't.
It is glaringly not there.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Rose of York
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Do I need to repent of relishing in viewing big boys getting stuck into a good ole scrap?

:rofl:
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Gerard

No, enjoy the spectacle.

gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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I have nothing to add, if people can not see in the story of the woman at the well one of the greatest stories of Jesus calling a person to repentance, their conversion and acceptance of the way of Christ then that is sad.

St Photini as she is known in the Eastern Church (both orthodox and Byzantine) became one of the greatest missionaries of the early church which is why her repentance and conversion are of such significance and why I have always found the telling of her story on the Third Sunday of Lent as part of the Scrutinies to be a great comfort for however great ones sin, Jesus will see into our hearts, looking beyond the public image and even beyond the image we create of ourselves and looks into our souls and offers forgiveness. The problem with denying the sinfulness of the woman at the well and the sin of Zacchaeus is that if they were good and virtuous people before their encounter with Jesus, no miracle of repentance, no conversion of their souls, no message of salvation and hope for us. So as I say I have nothing to add, go on accusing me of being domaneering and insulting, go on ignoring the Gospel and kidding yourselves that you know best and that the whole thing is a big bad ugly story invented by us wicked priests to frighten people.
Personally I prefer to see the Gospel as it is, a story of hope because a person recognises their sinful ways, repents, makes amends and goes on to become a great witness to the Way of Christ.
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paul

I have just read the verbal scrapping! Surely the church has a traditional stand on such theological questions, and that stand is taught in seminary? I don't think the church can allow differing interpretations of scripture from his priests, if it did chaos would reign!

Please stop the scrapping, I find it boring and un Christian, put your points without personal criticisms.

Dominus vobiscum

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Derekap
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"Please stop the scrapping, I find it boring and un Christian, put your points without personal criticisms"

Some people are very sensitive. In the dim and distant past on other forums (now closed) I was described as cynical, intransigent and a wind-up merchant among other adjectives or adverbs.
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Rose of York
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Differences of opinion are part of debate, personal criticisms are unnecessary and inappropriate.

I have been trying for months to persuade members to discuss the issue for which a topic is intended, not the the attitudes, beliefs, and practices of individual members.

There is a little button like this at the bottom of every post.
Posted Image I make no apology for the lack of a users manual explaining how to click it. :rofl:

I call upon all the boys who are scrapping, to repent and use that button.
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I tried to join in, with this post. Does anybody agree or disagree with me, that the need to repent is glaringly obvious to any person whatever their knowledge of scripture, philosophy or theology?
Rose of York
Tuesday, 13. November 2012, 14:54
Gerard
Tuesday, 13. November 2012, 12:51
Well, in recent years I have sat through many sermons and talks where the word metanoia has been parsed, explained etc. Usually giving a meaning of to turn around or to change ones mind. It seemed to be something of a trend or fashion.

But I claim no expertise here.

Gerry
I cannot see the point in discussing theology of repentance. It is glaringly obvious that people who do wrong should face up to their misdeeds, be sorry, apologise and if possible make amends. I learned this from the old Penny Catechism, hardly a difficult work of theology, in preparation for First Confession when I was a child aged seven.

If we do not repent and carry on in our own selfish ways, others suffer for it. It is obviously not good for society, and Christians know it is an offence against God.
Keep the Faith!

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Would someone please explain what: 'metanoia' is. If a priest used the word in his sermon I frankly doubt if one person in the congregation knew what it is!
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OsullivanB

Derekap - the best I can do is refer you to my post #26 on this thread.

For a fuller (but not Catholic) account you could try

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metanoia_(theology)
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Gerard

Penfold,

I would like to apologise, uneservedly, for all my harsh words to you. I have no excuse and make none.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Gerard
Wednesday, 14. November 2012, 20:54
Penfold,

I would like to apologise, uneservedly, for all my harsh words to you. I have no excuse and make none.

Gerry
Thank you, I have been far to grumpy myself of late and I too apologise for my uncharitable responses.
And I extend that apology to Mairtin and OSB and indeed all forum folk.
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