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| Topic Started: Sunday, 21. October 2012, 19:00 (116 Views) | |
| paul | Sunday, 21. October 2012, 19:00 Post #1 |
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I have been battling with another question going around my tiny brain this week. If he is a God of love, why would he subject his only begotten son to such a horrific death? Why didn't something spectacular happen such as requested by one of the Roman soldiers watching him die? Is the answer something such as to fulfill Scripture prophecy? If that is the answer it still doesn't explain to me the horror of his death. Confused..... |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 21. October 2012, 21:39 Post #2 |
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God the Father did not subject his son to a horrible death. Jesis told the apostles he would be killed and would rise again. He said that one present at the Last Supper would betray him. Jesus could have slipped away in the dark, after Judas had set off to tell the High priests that Jesus would be in the Garden of Gethsemane. The soldiers said they were seeking Jesus. He stepped forward. He could easily have run off in the darkness. Peter stepped forward in defence and cut off the High Priest's ear. Jesus told him to put his sword back, and he touched the servant's ear and healed him. Jesus was truly man. He had free will. He was subject to temptation, we know that because Satan tempted him in the desert. At any moment he could have refused to sacrifice himself for our sakes. Being God he could have flung himself off the cross and struck bystanders dumb while he made himself scarce. I say Jesus died voluntarily, knowing that three days later he would rise again in glory. |
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| PJD | Sunday, 21. October 2012, 21:44 Post #3 |
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"Is the answer something such as to fulfill Scripture prophecy?" Maybe; but in this case, as Almighty God is above and beyond time, any fulfilled prophecy of the future would already exist at the instance such prophecy was made. PJD |
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| Derekap | Sunday, 21. October 2012, 22:30 Post #4 |
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Biblically and these days we are given the impression that prophecies must be fulfilled. Surely a prophecy is something that will definitely happen not that must be fulfilled by choice of any individual or event? Jesus may have chosen to accept His Fate but any prophecy would surely be of His decision - not subject to the decision?
Edited by Derekap, Sunday, 21. October 2012, 22:34.
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 21. October 2012, 23:00 Post #5 |
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People sin. Trying to imagine all sins comitted by every person who has ever lived or will live in the future, the totally is awful. Every single one with the exception of Jesus and his mother, gave up the right to enter paradise. We teach our children that if they hurt anybody, in addition to being sorry they must try to make amends. An example is theft. Thieves must return the stolen goods, or if they have disposed of them, recompense the owner some other way. A loving parent is both kind and just. God requires justice. If he did not we could sail through life doing as we pleased. Imagine what value would need to be sacrificed to save EVERYBODY. No object, animal or human being human being was good enough to make recompense for the sins of all, until the perfect sinless human being was born. He was God made man. He generously offered to his father the supreme sacrifice of himself, and opened the gates of heaven to all who die loving God and repentant of grave sins.
I share the view expressed by PJD and Derek, that a prophesy is of something that will happen. God inspired the prophet to prophesy the saviour's death. If (as the three persons of the Trinity would have known) Jesus was going to miraculously escape from crucifixion, there would have been no death to prophesy. Anyway something very spectacular did happen. In the story of Lazarus we read that after a few days in a tomb he stank. In a very hot country an unembalmed, unwashed body covered in wounds would have reeked. On the third day Jesus rose from the dead. That was the most spectacular event in human history. The above is my opinion, as taught by parents teachers and priests, and I have had a few decades in which to think about it. I hope if fits in with the official teaching of the Church. Edited by Rose of York, Monday, 22. October 2012, 22:10.
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 21. October 2012, 23:48 Post #6 |
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Did not God choose to enter time in the Person of Jesus? If so, is what you say applicable to the fulfillment of OT prophecy in the life and death of Jesus? |
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| PJD | Monday, 22. October 2012, 21:18 Post #7 |
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"Did not God choose to enter time in the Person of Jesus? If so, is what you say applicable to the fulfillment of OT prophecy in the life and death of Jesus? " I am not really sure how to reply to that OsB. However if God is simultaneously past, present, and future, then the life of Christ is equally representative of His Divinity regarding outside of all time and His Humanity within His Divine Present. For His 'Person' remains as in either. Bit confusing must admit even to me. PJD |
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| Derekap | Monday, 22. October 2012, 21:49 Post #8 |
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(In a very hot country an unembalmed, unwashed body covered in wounds would have reeked.) In Egypt you can wish someone Good Night on leaving work and bury them the next morning) |
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