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New head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith; Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller
Topic Started: Wednesday, 19. September 2012, 01:07 (807 Views)
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http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=21073

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New head of CDF hopes to reduce tensions in the Church

Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, new head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), says he sees the polarization between traditionalists and progressives as the most important challenge faced by the Church.

In an interview with Vatican Radio’s Fr Bernd Hagenkord SJ on Tuesday, Archbishop Müller said: "I do not believe I was summoned by the Holy Father to fill a bureaucratic post and carry out – so to speak – a bureaucratic task, but as a theologian. So above all, I asked myself; what ails the life of the Church?

"In many countries, there is a strong polarization: Traditionalists against progressives or whatever you would call them. This must be overcome, we need to find a new and fundamental unity in the Church and individual countries.

"Unity in Christ, not a unity produced according to a program and later invoked by a partisan speaker. We are not a community of people aligned to a party program, or a community of scientific research, our unity is gifted to us. We believe in the one Church united in Christ. And if you believe in Christ, really believe - not manipulating the teachings of the Church, or singling out individual points to support your own personal ideology, but rather unconditionally entrusting yourself to Christ - then the unity of the Church is also important. Then the Church will not be – as it is sometimes described in Scripture – torn apart by jealousy and ambition. This is my underlying aim: To reduce the tensions within the Church "


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Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller
 
Traditionalists against progressives or whatever you would call them.


Whatever we would call them?

Backward looking trads
Liberal modernist dissenters
Catholic bloggers

:wh: :wh: :wh:


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It is a good job we have so many vocations that we don't have to worry so much about the future of our church, isn't it :yahoo:
Gripe. Moan. Snipe. Ignore any inconvenient truth. Don't provide specific data. Don't, whatever you do, provide links to hard evidence. The Traditional Way To Maintain A Discussion.
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I think that Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller is correct, the church is being pulled apart from within but I do not see it as a polarization between Trad and progressive. I see the problem as a disobedience and disloyalty of some causing them to reject the will of Christ for His Church as expressed in Vat II. I believe that after 50 years of such disloyalty it is time to be ruthless and prune a few unhealthy/dead branches. Nourish the roots with prayer and allow the church to grow unhinderd by such disobedience and disloyalty. But then I am a prgressive :rofl: The truth is that what I see is from a biased perspective.
It is refreshing to see a man come into the post of head of the Doctrine of Faith who has during his ministry done so much to promote ecumenism and better relations with other faiths. Perhaps he will find a way to bring the family together and strengthen us in the Unity of Christ. I pray for him and his ministry.
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One of the essential problems within any organiasation-is size.
get too large and cracks always appear.
Answer? None.
Just tnkering which is now answer
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I liked the wordig of the article; but particularly his use of the phrase:-

"unconditionally entrusting yourself to Christ"

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Wednesday, 19. September 2012, 05:48
I think that Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller is correct, the church is being pulled apart from within but I do not see it as a polarization between Trad and progressive. I see the problem as a disobedience and disloyalty of some causing them to reject the will of Christ for His Church as expressed in Vat II. I believe that after 50 years of such disloyalty it is time to be ruthless and prune a few unhealthy/dead branches.
How can unhealthy/dead branches be ruthlessly pruned? Whoever is in authority over them can be ordered to obey. The branches will put down their own roots and continue disobediently doing their own thing, claiming they have a duty to disobey because they (the pruned branches) are right and the trunk rotten. Archbishop Müller can hardly rake them together and put them on a bonfire. Mind you burning at the stake is Traditional with a capital T.
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Thursday, 20. September 2012, 23:22
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Wednesday, 19. September 2012, 05:48
I think that Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller is correct, the church is being pulled apart from within but I do not see it as a polarization between Trad and progressive. I see the problem as a disobedience and disloyalty of some causing them to reject the will of Christ for His Church as expressed in Vat II. I believe that after 50 years of such disloyalty it is time to be ruthless and prune a few unhealthy/dead branches.
How can unhealthy/dead branches be ruthlessly pruned? Whoever is in authority over them can be ordered to obey. The branches will put down their own roots and continue disobediently doing their own thing, claiming they have a duty to disobey because they (the pruned branches) are right and the trunk rotten. Archbishop Müller can hardly rake them together and put them on a bonfire. Mind you burning at the stake is Traditional with a capital T.
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John 15:2 English Standard Version (©2001)
Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

Matthew 3:10 English Standard Version (©2001)
Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Luke 3:9 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire."


However I should point out that my remarks were tongue in cheek. What I truly pray for, which I indicated by saying,
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The truth is that what I see is from a biased perspective.
is an unbiased attempt to reconcile the two extremes. If some chose not to be reconciled then their fate is foretold in scripture, and that goes for both extremes.
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If some chose not to be reconciled then their fate is foretold in scripture, and that goes for both extremes.


I very much doubt that.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Which set me thinking.

Throughout the Bible, particularly the OT, I find two contrasting mind sets. One exclusive and violent (Ethnically cleans the Cannanites e.g. Judges. Purify the Israelites e.g. Ezra/Nehemia ). The other inclsive and caring for the other (e.g. Ruth, Isaiah). And these two contrasting mind sets seem to be with us still today.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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"Which set me thinking.

Throughout the Bible, particularly the OT, I find two contrasting mind sets. One exclusive and violent (Ethnically cleans the Cannanites e.g. Judges. Purify the Israelites e.g. Ezra/Nehemia ). The other inclsive and caring for the other (e.g. Ruth, Isaiah). And these two contrasting mind sets seem to be with us still today.

Gerry "


I don't know about the time-scale between one exteme and the other Gerry [perhaps it is irrelevant] - but one can consider choosing the violent (evil) in order to get to the caring (good). Something to my mind also seems to be with us today.

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Friday, 21. September 2012, 09:09
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If some chose not to be reconciled then their fate is foretold in scripture, and that goes for both extremes.


I very much doubt that.

Gerry
What do you doubt?
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With a progressive like Mueller at the helm of the CDF, reconciliation between the SSPX and the Vatican will be an impossibility. If the Holy Father truly desires the reconciliation of the SSPX, this appointment is surely baffling and only serves to reinforce the belief within some Trad circles that the Holy Father is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Another case of rewarding a clergyman for his non-handling of the paedophile crisis within his former jurisdiction?
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Sadly, Angus, it was a traditional custom that allowed the paedophile crisis to develop. 'We must not allow publication of scandal to besmirch The Church' - like a family trying to protect its good name from a 'black sheep'.
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Sunday, 23. September 2012, 11:11
With a progressive like Mueller at the helm of the CDF, reconciliation between the SSPX and the Vatican will be an impossibility. If the Holy Father truly desires the reconciliation of the SSPX, this appointment is surely baffling and only serves to reinforce the belief within some Trad circles that the Holy Father is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Another case of rewarding a clergyman for his non-handling of the paedophile crisis within his former jurisdiction?
You can't challenge his theological qualifications so you dig up a personal attack on him which was not upheld or in anyway substantiated in the German civil courts, even though some tried. I also think that if you are trying to insinuate that the "Child abuse Issue" is a result of the post Vatican II Church is to ignore the evidence. The issues however have been discussed and continue to be discussed on several threads dedicated to them.
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