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| Cardinal Martini speaks to Church from beyond the grave | |
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| Topic Started: Monday, 10. September 2012, 00:40 (582 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Monday, 10. September 2012, 00:40 Post #1 |
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http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=21013
Article reproduced in full, with permission. |
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| Penfold | Monday, 10. September 2012, 06:41 Post #2 |
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I knew I liked this chap.
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| Rose of York | Monday, 10. September 2012, 19:40 Post #3 |
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Cardinal Martini said his advice to the Pope would be to seek twelve people who work outside the box to point the way. By "out of the box" did he mean outside the Vatican, or outside of the College of Cardinals. I think it is a good idea, and hopefully would include young, middle aged, elderly, married, single and ordained. |
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| Mairtin | Monday, 10. September 2012, 20:48 Post #4 |
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A very thought provoking piece, the bit I find hardest is "I still have a question for you: what you can do for the Church?". I am quick to criticise the Church for her shortcomings but what am I doing to put those things right? I know what I am doing; l also know that it is nowhere near enough! Some more thoughts on the Rosary thread. |
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| draig | Monday, 10. September 2012, 21:23 Post #5 |
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I have another, pertinent, question... What will The Church allow you to do? |
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| Derekap | Monday, 10. September 2012, 21:34 Post #6 |
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I think members of this forum are by their discussions amd argumemts contributing something for The Church. Hopefuly casual readers gain something. I have learned a lot and still do. Even if we are trying to convert each other! Reading requests for prayers is another realisation of the needs for people, Edited by Derekap, Monday, 10. September 2012, 21:35.
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 01:01 Post #7 |
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I have often wondered if any bishops read this website. It might help them get some insight into what the lay people think, feel and say about every aspect of Catholicism. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 01:05 Post #8 |
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Having taken another look at the interview, I see that I omitted a paragraph.
I wish Cardinal Martini had included women. |
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 08:31 Post #9 |
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I agree, Derek, but it is easy to discuss religion with other people who are religious, how many of us try to have similar discussions with people who aren't religious? |
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 08:33 Post #10 |
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I think it is too easy to get caught up in the things that we need permission for and forget the things we don't need permission for. I know I have always played down my religious views under the pretext that religion is a private matter and shouldn’t be rammed down people's throats,; most of my colleagues and friends would be aware that I am Catholic (it goes with the territory in Ireland) but very few of them would realise how important it actually is to me and how big a part of my life it is. Perhaps if they knew more about the strength of my religious views, it might stimulate some fresh thinking by some of the ones who are agnostic or atheist but have come to respect me in some regard or other. It can be very simple things. When friends are discussing the latest bed hopping in soapland or among celebrities, they might possibly notice that I generally don’t take part in the discussion but I doubt that they are really aware how I consider this to be immoral behaviour. When I do something good or help somebody out, I doubt if they fully realise that doing that is as natural to me as breathing or eating. I suspect most Catholics are like me in those regards but we don’t need anybody’s permission to lead our lives the way Jesus taught us and let other people see that we are doing that. Edited by Mairtin, Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 08:33.
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| Derekap | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 16:00 Post #11 |
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Frankly it is very very rarely that I do. I don't feel confident enough to do so. Wherever I've been particularly in different offices of the company I worked for; they seem to know in advance I was a Catholic as a matter of course. |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 16:03 Post #12 |
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Support the ACP. Gerry |
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| paul | Saturday, 15. September 2012, 20:39 Post #13 |
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Why is there so much emphasis and reliance on tradition in the church? We are not a forward thinking church, just stuck in a sort of time warp. Let go of the pomp,ceremony and theatre. I realise that in Christ's day the synagogue would have had ritual but isn't it time we moved on and left the theatre for significant liturgical dates (christmas/easter). Illiterate and ignorant people in past times welcomed the theatrical side, it was necessary for understanding today we have education and very fast means of communication. Let's have more masses televised, the housebound could request communion be administered by an EME if the priest is too busy. At least the message would be getting through. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 15. September 2012, 20:50 Post #14 |
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Excessively embroidered vestments and mitres give the impression the people are there to see a bishop and his entourage taking part in a theatrical performance. The spectacle is hardly likely to convince a newcomer to Catholic worship that the "audience" are there to raise their minds and hearts to God. Vestments of simple design are less distracting. |
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| Penfold | Saturday, 15. September 2012, 21:04 Post #15 |
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I am odd but I rather like to think of every day as a gift and the Party should never end
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