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| Topic Started: Friday, 17. August 2012, 22:17 (500 Views) | |
| Deacon Robert | Sunday, 19. August 2012, 21:11 Post #16 |
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If Ryan paid as much attention to paragraphs 2404, 2405, 2406, 2407 of the CCC as he appears to pay to paragraphs 2401 and 2403 please cite source |
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| CARLO | Sunday, 19. August 2012, 21:18 Post #17 |
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Don't you just yearn for 'Vatican influence on Catholic leaders?' Oremus CARLO
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 19. August 2012, 21:19 Post #18 |
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As in Spain under Franco and many South American countries under their dictators? Or which historical examples did you have in mind? |
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| CARLO | Sunday, 19. August 2012, 21:26 Post #19 |
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Tut tut - do you associate Vatican influence only with negativity? Shame on you! De profundis Out of the depths CARLO
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 19. August 2012, 21:54 Post #20 |
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Not particularly. I would hope that any Catholic leader will be influenced by the Word of God. There are excellent encyclicals about most political issues, including poverty, relationship between employer and employee, land owner and land user, war. Vatican leaders (I speak not of Popes when speaking ex Cathedra) are not by default the best guides for Catholic politicians. Their standards of knowledge and justice will vary. We have had politicians, trade union presidents, and business leaders of all faiths and none, whose example is worth following. |
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 19. August 2012, 22:02 Post #21 |
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I invited you to remind me of the positive examples. Doubtless you will in time. |
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 19. August 2012, 23:24 Post #22 |
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(My emboldening) The Economist is not hostile to the Republican party. Earlier in the same leader it wrote:
After saying much else in his praise it said this: It then goes on to identify the perceived gap in a passage from which my opening citation was taken. I should perhaps add that it was not and is not my intention to provoke a discussion about the respective merits of the candidates. I am responding to a request for justification of my post. It was Deacon Robert who posted a quasi-endorsement from one candidate's bishop. I was struck by the fact that the bishop's statement in a passage reproduced below referred to the right to private property as a fundamental issue for the formation of a Catholic conscience. That seemed to me to be a selective reading of the Church's teaching as expounded in all the paragraphs I cited above.
I should, perhaps, add that I had read Bishop Morlino's statement before it was posted. I had made my own decision not to post it, despite my reservations now expressed, because I foresaw where it might lead. For what its worth, I have reservations about all four candidates for P and VP. However, Ryan is the only one about whom what amounts to a Roman Catholic ecclesiastical endorsement* has been posted. *I am aware that the Bishop disclaimed endorsement. That seemed to me to be nonsense. |
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| Derekap | Monday, 20. August 2012, 14:17 Post #23 |
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I get the impression that Bishop Robert Molino is not endorsing the candidature of Mr Ryan but..... What the Bishop went on to say could have been could have excluded any reference to Mr Ryan. |
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| OsullivanB | Monday, 20. August 2012, 14:29 Post #24 |
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I mistook that for something akin to an endorsement. Sorry if I am wrong, but I think others reading it might understand it in the same way I did. |
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| Deacon Robert | Monday, 20. August 2012, 19:43 Post #25 |
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My post of the Bishop's comment was in reply to Derek's post #2 which asked if either were pacticing or CINO. As he is a national figure, I think his Bishop would have a good idea. Cardinal Dolan of New York seems to have the same opinion based on a personal relationship. Here in the US we can not endorse either a party or a candidate due to IRS regulations. I can atest to the fact that every election cycle we all recieve letters reminding and directing us to be very careful what we say and do. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 20. August 2012, 20:30 Post #26 |
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The same rule applies here. Because the dioceses and religious orders are registered charities, which makes them exempt from tax, they may not endorse political parties or candidates. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 21. August 2012, 23:42 Post #27 |
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Cardinal Dolan spoke on Sirius Catholic Channel radio show Thursday, expressing his opinion of Paul Ryan. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314272/dolan-ryan-great-public-servant-kathryn-jean-lopez The Cardinal said he was “speaking personally and not from a partisan point of view. . . . But I have immense regard and admiration and affection for him, just personally.” Dolan added that he is “happy” his friend has the “honor” of being on a national ticket." then went on to admire the congressman's political policies, ending with "So I admire him. He’s honest. He’s refreshing. Do I agree with everything? No, but . . . I’m anxious to see him in action." Is that not an endorsement of a candidate for political office? |
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| OsullivanB | Friday, 24. August 2012, 16:27 Post #28 |
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Good to know it is non-partisan and certainly not an endorsement. His Eminence is flying 1,000 miles "to pray". I know NY has a dubious reputation, but I think it is still possible to pray there. |
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| OsullivanB | Friday, 24. August 2012, 16:35 Post #29 |
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8/21/2012 - 2:59 PM PST FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE MEDIA ADVISORY Catholic PRWire IRONDALE, AL (August 21, 2012) - GOP Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney sits down for an exclusive interview with EWTN News Director and Anchor Raymond Arroyo at 8 p.m. ET, Thursday, Aug. 23 on EWTN’s news and opinion program, “The World Over.” (Find EWTN at www.ewtn.com/channelfinder.) “During this interview, Gov. Romney breaks news about what we can expect at the Republican National Convention and reacts to charges by President Obama that he chose Paul Ryan as his running mate to lower his personal tax burden,” Arroyo said. “He also talks about the hot issue of religious liberty, the role of prayer in his life, and how being a bishop in the Mormon Church prepared him for the presidency.” EWTN Global Catholic Network, in its 32th year, is available in over 200 million television households in more than 140 countries and territories. With its direct broadcast satellite television and radio services, AM & FM radio networks, worldwide short-wave radio station, Internet website www.ewtn.com, electronic and print news services, and publishing arm, EWTN is the largest religious media network in the world. |
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| Derekap | Friday, 24. August 2012, 17:16 Post #30 |
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It would surely have been cheaper and less controversial if the Republicans had invited a local priest from Tampa to attend and lead the members in prayer? |
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