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| Topic Started: Sunday, 1. July 2012, 22:35 (1,058 Views) | |
| Penfold | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 13:48 Post #76 |
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Mairtin, I have tried to answer your questions both on this thread and others, but invariably you respond in such a way that it is clear you consider my answers to be inadequate or inaccurate. In many cases it is clear that they do not match the answer you want to hear. If I refer you to Catholic Teaching it is not acceptable well I am sorry but that is all you will get from me. If you wish to engage in sophistry with Atheists on-line then that is your choice but I have better things to do. |
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 13:48 Post #77 |
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Yes, I realise that, I was only using transubstantiation as a form of shorthand.
The New Testament is a very limited account of the public ministry of Jesus and tells us itself that He taught His disciple many things that are not included in it. That's why I regard the three-legged foundation of our Church - scripture+tradition+magisterium - as so important; no other church can offer that and it is, in fact, what keeps me in the Church when at times I feel like walking away in despair. That does not mean that I accept everything the Church says; I do not, for example, subscribe to the concept of papal infallibility as it is commonly portrayed but I do believe that the Holy Spirit is working away in the background, that we do not have to worry about getting things wrong at times because they will eventually work out right if we just let them.
Well it is only within the last 50 years that our Church has allowed us to participate at all in Protestant worship and she still bars us from participating in their form of Holy Communion; it seems a bit odd to me to bar people from doing something where they will encounter Christ. |
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| OsullivanB | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 13:50 Post #78 |
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Fr Timothy Radcliffe is very keen to stress the importance of meeting people (in and out of the church) where they are at. For some one response will be appropriate, for others another. There is no one-size-fits-all. Thank God, the Church meets many, many human needs, spiritual, emotional and intellectual among them. Because it deals in the written word only, it may be inevitable that a forum will often be intellectual more than emotional. With a fair wind it will usually be spiritual in some dimension of that concept. |
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| OsullivanB | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 13:52 Post #79 |
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I think I'm done on this thread. I have done what I can, but do not seem to have helped. So, enough. |
| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 13:58 Post #80 |
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I regard countering nonsense about our Church as important wherever I meet it. One example of something I have battled against with a modicum of success in other forums is the nonsense that the Catholic Church’s teaching on contraception is a major cause of the death of people from AIDS in Africa. I trust you will appreciate the irony in that particular example
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 14:09 Post #81 |
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She is getting better at it though we seem to be going through a little bit of a period where those more interested in winding back clocks are having an undue influence.
Yes but I'm a great believer that we are the sum of all our parts and that we achieve the best spirituality by using all God's gifts - reason, logic, intellect, emotion ... That reminds me of a wonderful book I'm reading the moment; I'm only about a quarter of the way through but it's rapidly moving to the top of my "best books I have ever read" list; I think you would enjoy it but I'll post more when I get it finished. |
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| OsullivanB | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 14:36 Post #82 |
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Thanks for that recommendation, Mairtin. I have added it to me "save for later" list at Amazon. I agree with you about the multi-dimensional approach. The problem is that the most easily identifiable and expressible emotion online tends to be anger. |
| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| tomais | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 15:46 Post #83 |
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For those with computor skills,( I have not) see letter in todays Scotsman.Wednesday 11th.,Under Church Charity-written byMartin Conroy Oldhamstocks,East Lothian.Puts Catholic Charity in practice in focus.A good example within Christianity by Catholic Church into perspective and what it means to be a Catholic reaching out into the world. A practical example,based upon charity |
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| Eileenanne | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 15:59 Post #84 |
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It's a good letter Tomais. Thanks for pointing it out. http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/opinion/letters/church-charity-1-2403365 I wish my brain had the ability to hold on to those statistices for when it would be good to quote them! Eileenanne |
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| KatyA | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 18:25 Post #85 |
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Regarding Mairtin's book recommendation, it may be wise to bear in mind that the author did not always agree with doctrine or Church teachingEWTN Just sayin' |
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 18:52 Post #86 |
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Our Church is desperately bad at publicising just how much it does; I mentioned a couple of posts above about dealing with people who post nonsense about the Church being responsible for HIV deaths in Africa, one of the facts I usually trot out on such occasions is that the Church is the world's largest single provider of help and services to AIDS/HIV victims, accounting for over 25% of the total help available to them. |
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 19:11 Post #87 |
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Doesn't that simply put de Chardin is in good company with Augustine and Aquinas? There a school of thought that reckons you can't be a truly great Catholic writer unless you have upset the Vatican at some stage Anyway, just for clarification, It was de Chardin who received the reprimand, not the author of the book that I recommended which is a book about one of de Chardin's books as part of which the author explains why de Chardin was originally reprimanded due to misunderstandings but since "rehabilitated" to the extent that in 1981, Cardinal Agostino Casaroli wrote on the front page of l'Osservatore Romano:
and in 2009, Pope Benedict said
So I reckon he's safe enough, Katy
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 19:29 Post #88 |
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Now I am tempted to read the book Mairtin recommended.
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 11. July 2012, 19:45 Post #89 |
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The letter by Martin Conroy was written in response to a previous letter from a correspondent who said that if the Catholic Church had made it a priority, it could have improved the quality of life for poor people all over the world including in Scotland. Martin Conroy's letter states that the Catholic Church is the second largest international development body (after the UN) in the world as well as being the second largest humanitarian agency (the largest being the Red Cross). He gives facts and figures: Caritas Internationalis, a Rome-based confederation of 165 national bodies of Catholic charities in more than 200 countries, estimates its combined budget at more than $5 billion (£3.2bn). A quarter of hospitals in Africa are run by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church provides about twelve million school places in Africa. Around the globe the Catholic Church runs more than 5,000 hospitals, 17,500 dispensaries and 15,000 homes for the elderly, along with tens of thousands of schools. My reaction? So much for the people who tell us the Catholic Church should start spending it money on helping poor people. |
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