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Is the Church a club with rules you accept or leave?
Topic Started: Tuesday, 12. June 2012, 20:19 (436 Views)
Angus Toanimo
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valleyboy
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:26
Gerard
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:19
valleyboy
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:15
It may be a personal observation, but this forum seems to have an excess of capital letters used in normal communication. The tradition is for names ("Christ") and the deity second person ("His") but it feels that the reader is being bludgeoned with opinion dressed in sanctimonious syntax at times. Is there any necessity for His Holy Name The Blessed Bleeding Lamb (or whatever) in normal rhetoric? It seems very ostentatious.
This is a discussion forum not an English grammar exam.

Gerry
Absolutely. The point I'm making is that capitals are used to back up an opinion by making it sound somehow more reverential, factual and spiritually inspired than the next person's opinion. It doesn't ring true in the context of a discussion forum.
Could you give examples?

Do you mean like, "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass", or "The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church"?
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Gerard

Interestingly the "new" translation has "one holy catholic and apostolic Church". Which, at least when I pray it, include protestants.

You may be picking something up there Valleyboy.

Gerry
Edited by Gerard, Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:36.
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Angus Toanimo
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:28
valleyboy
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:26
Gerard
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:19
valleyboy
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:15
It may be a personal observation, but this forum seems to have an excess of capital letters used in normal communication. The tradition is for names ("Christ") and the deity second person ("His") but it feels that the reader is being bludgeoned with opinion dressed in sanctimonious syntax at times. Is there any necessity for His Holy Name The Blessed Bleeding Lamb (or whatever) in normal rhetoric? It seems very ostentatious.
This is a discussion forum not an English grammar exam.

Gerry
Absolutely. The point I'm making is that capitals are used to back up an opinion by making it sound somehow more reverential, factual and spiritually inspired than the next person's opinion. It doesn't ring true in the context of a discussion forum.
Could you give examples?

Do you mean like, "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass", or "The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church"?
Precisely that and other rhetorical flourishes.
Liberal, ecumenical, universal and it's my church too.
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John Sweeney
Tuesday, 12. June 2012, 23:32
Anyone want to estimate --entirely unscientifically but just for the sake of it--how many regular Sunday communicants in their own parishes would say they believe in the real transubstantiation doctrine?
100%
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Angus Toanimo
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Clare
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 12:22
John Sweeney
Tuesday, 12. June 2012, 23:32
Anyone want to estimate --entirely unscientifically but just for the sake of it--how many regular Sunday communicants in their own parishes would say they believe in the real transubstantiation doctrine?
100%
Ditto!
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Clare
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 12:22
John Sweeney
Tuesday, 12. June 2012, 23:32
Anyone want to estimate --entirely unscientifically but just for the sake of it--how many regular Sunday communicants in their own parishes would say they believe in the real transubstantiation doctrine?
100%
What % of those do you think actually understand the various subtleties of the Church's teaching on transubstantiation as summarised so eloquently earlier by OsB?
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PJD

"What % of those do you think actually understand the various subtleties of the Church's teaching on transubstantiation as summarised so eloquently earlier by OsB?"

My answer to your question Mairtin would be 'very few'. I agree that Aquinas for example is difficult and the exposition by OsB was eloquently put - but sorry OsB for in my opinion you told us nothing apart from how to compose in a circle.

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OsullivanB

If I understood your coda of regret I might agree with it.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Gerard
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:07
Rose of York
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 01:18
If Apostolic succession is not important any one of us could set ourselves, or any willing person up as a priest or deacon.
You mean like St Paul ?

Gerry
You mean St Paul the Apostle?
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Has all of this not been thrashed out many many many years ago and times before?'
Have you only just worked out that this is the subtitle of the whole forum?
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Gerard

OsullivanB
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 14:45
Gerard
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 09:07
Rose of York
Wednesday, 13. June 2012, 01:18
If Apostolic succession is not important any one of us could set ourselves, or any willing person up as a priest or deacon.
You mean like St Paul ?

Gerry
You mean St Paul the Apostle?
Yes, Bernard, that is who I mean.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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