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On whose side are you, Bishop?
Topic Started: Wednesday, 25. April 2012, 23:47 (536 Views)
Angus Toanimo
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Whose side are you on, bishop?

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Luiz Demétrio Valentini, Bishop of the Diocese of Jales (Brazil) since 1982, known as one of Brazil's "Socialist Bishops", went on April 10 to the Masonic Lodge "Colonel Balthazar" in Jales, in honor of its 53rd anniversary. He was received with great honor, as the following pictures attest:

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During his lecture, he claimed that the climate is now conducive to fruitful dialogue and rapprochement between the Catholic Church and Freemasonry. Bp. Demetrio noted that at 71 years of age he still has at least four more years as a diocesan bishop, a period that he can use to push for closer ties between the two institutions.

No, we are not making up this stuff.

Photo sources: Messa in Latino and Missa aos domingos
Original story source: Jornal de Jales
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Rose of York
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It is rather odd that this man became an Archbishop.

It might be better if he got a job as a stonemason.
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OsullivanB

Perhaps it was a typo and he's a Grand Arch bishop.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Maybe it is the start of the Bishop's Dementia! In which case the sooner he's retired the better for The Church!
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Thursday, 26. April 2012, 11:54
Maybe it is the start of the Bishop's Dementia! In which case the sooner he's retired the better for The Church!
He could be forgiven, given the versus populum orientation of the presider, the vernacular of the service and the table "altar"... and the all-seeing eye/pyramid contains the words "Novus Ordo [seclorum]" underneath...

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I must profess complete ignorance here.
I have known many people who are free masons and found them ok.
I was even invited to join once but declined because, somewhere in my head, it was against our religion.
The knights in our church reminded me a bit about them.
Sashs and regalia and all that.
I was asked to join them as well but also refused.

Please enlighten me - what nis amiss here - if there is anything.,.

James
Edited by James, Thursday, 26. April 2012, 18:17.
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Here is a couple lines from Wiki. The full article may be found by searching "The Catholic church and Masonic Lodge."


February 1981 letter Clarification concerning status of Catholics becoming Freemasons from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to the United States Bishops, the matter was clarified, and the prohibition against Catholics joining Masonic orders remains.

1983 document Quaesitum est, issued by then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, who had become the Congregation's prefect in November 1981. To quote:

"The faithful, who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion..."[34]


The official Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano went further, claiming that Freemasonry acted as a rival to Catholicism because of the competing symbolic forms and the designation of Catholic non-Masons as outsiders.[35]

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Gerard

Free Masonry is of Satan.
Simple as that.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Thursday, 26. April 2012, 18:52
Free Masonry is of Satan.
Simple as that.

Gerry
Sometimes, I do wonder if I should put a "like" button on posts....

Well said, Gerry!!

(I think I'm going to fai....)
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Derekap
Thursday, 26. April 2012, 11:54
Maybe it is the start of the Bishop's Dementia! In which case the sooner he's retired the better for The Church!


http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bvalld.html
Bishop Luiz Demétrio Valentini
Bishop of Jales, Sao Paulo
Events
Date.............Age...Event.........Title
31 Jan 194072.24 BornSão Valentim
6 Feb 196525.0Ordained PriestPriest
8 Jun 198242.4AppointedBishop of Jales, Sao Paulo, Brazil
31 Jul 198242.5Ordained BishopBishop of Jales, Sao Paulo, Brazil

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Bp. Demetrio noted that at 71 years of age he still has at least four more years as a diocesan bishop, a period that he can use to push for closer ties between the two institutions.


If a man born in January 1940 thought in April 2012 that he was 71 years old, Derek could be right. The event took place three months after Bishop Luiz Demétrio Valentini's 72nd birthday.

He could be practicing for retirement, thinking that at the age of 75 he must retire from being a Catholic. If that is what he thinks he might be looking around for another GRAND position in an organisation that has a building that looks like a church. Just imagine the title "Bishop to the Freemasons". :wh:
Edited by Rose of York, Thursday, 26. April 2012, 20:15.
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Luiz Demétrio Valentini, Bishop of the Diocese of Jales (Brazil) since 1982, known as one of Brazil's "Socialist Bishops", went on April 10 to the Masonic Lodge "Colonel Balthazar" in Jales, in honor of its 53rd anniversary. He was received with great honor, as the following pictures attest:

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During his lecture, he claimed that the climate is now conducive to fruitful dialogue and rapprochement between the Catholic Church and Freemasonry. Bp. Demetrio noted that at 71 years of age he still has at least four more years as a diocesan bishop, a period that he can use to push for closer ties between the two institutions.


What on earth is going on? Is it usual for guests who are not members, to wear masonic collars? I am wondering if colours and designs indicate the grade of membership. I do hope this bishop has not joined them.
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Gerard

Rose,

The Bishop is the man wearing a shirt and no tie.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Gerard
Thursday, 26. April 2012, 18:52
Free Masonry is of Satan.
Simple as that.

Gerry
On what do you base that very strong statement, Gerry?

Should we be more wary of the music of Mozart, an enthusiastic Mason? Some at least of his music is avowedly Craft influenced.

If so, should we tell his admirer, the Pope?

We could then go on to re-appraise the work of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Winston S. Churchill, both Freemasons. In WWII I have always thought the devil was more engaged with Adolf Hitler, who was vehemently hostile to Freemasonry,than with either of these.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Thursday, 26. April 2012, 21:43
Rose,

The Bishop is the man wearing a shirt and no tie.

Gerry
Thanks Gerry. Obviously I made a BIG mistake.
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What he is wearing is not the problem. Why he is even there is. Would he also be willing to attend some other celebration in opposition to the churches teaching? He is of the hierarchy and must through his vows teach and live it's teaching. My personal opinion, aside from the churches decisions, is he should be censored, recant his presence there,and if not repentant, removed from his position and recieve the penalties accorded by his superiors
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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