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Betrayal; Judas Iscariot
Topic Started: Monday, 2. April 2012, 02:37 (278 Views)
paul

Am I correct in thinking that Judas accepted 30 pieces of silver for identifying Christ? Did he not also throw them back when he realised what he had done?

If so there is an element of remorse involved in the act and subsequent sorrow/fear. The question is, is he in hell, purgatory or heaven?

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paul
Tuesday, 3. April 2012, 19:15
If so there is an element of remorse involved in the act and subsequent sorrow/fear. The question is, is he in hell, purgatory or heaven?

We are in no position to judge the soul of Judas at the moment of death. however we read this in St Mark's Gospel.

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19 They began to be sorrowful, and to say to him one after another, "Is it I?" 20 He said to them, "It is one of the twelve, one who is dipping bread into the dish with me. 21 For the Son of man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born."


Jesus did not say it would have been better for himself, or the whole human race if the betrayer had not been born. He said it would have been better for that man. I have always felt that whatever suffering any person has on earth, will be insignificant compared to eternal happiness in Heaven.
Keep the Faith!

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I wonder Rose if the "better he had not been born..." statement amounts to the collossal amount of remorse that Judas, once a friend of Jesus, would have to endure subsequently? To walk in the Presence of the Son of God and enjoy His Friendship - to throw it all away for 30 pieces of silver... How can any of us even begin to imagine what Judas must have suffered once he realised what he had done.

The passage does not say Judas was condemned to Hell - it says "woe" to him - meaning an unbearable weight of sorrow would fall upon him once he realised the extent of what he had done and Who he had betrayed. I often wonder if his suicide was, in a very damaged way, his way of repenting from what he he done. He was obviously completely filled with remorse. If he had had no conscience at all he might have taken the 30 pieces of silver and run, and lived a comfortable materialistic lifestyle for the rest of his days.

He didn't. He returned the silver. This is in no way a defence of Judas Iscariot, but I do feel we cannot know his eternal destination. Perhaps God has even saved some of His Mercy for this faulty human being too? I pray it is so.

I believe many of us throw God, or at least His Gifts to us, away quite regularly, albeit to a much lesser extent than Judas did once, but we metaphorically throw Him away all the same. So there but for the Grace of God go any of us.
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Tuesday, 3. April 2012, 21:49
I wonder Rose if the "better he had not been born..." statement amounts to the collossal amount of remorse that Judas, once a friend of Jesus, would have to endure subsequently? To walk in the Presence of the Son of God and enjoy His Friendship - to throw it all away for 30 pieces of silver... How can any of us even begin to imagine what Judas must have suffered once he realised what he had done.

The passage does not say Judas was condemned to Hell - it says "woe" to him - meaning an unbearable weight of sorrow would fall upon him once he realised the extent of what he had done and Who he had betrayed. I often wonder if his suicide was, in a very damaged way, his way of repenting from what he he done. He was obviously completely filled with remorse. If he had had no conscience at all he might have taken the 30 pieces of silver and run, and lived a comfortable materialistic lifestyle for the rest of his days.
All that makes sense. Until now I had not considered those possibilities.

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He returned the silver. This is in no way a defence of Judas Iscariot, but I do feel we cannot know his eternal destination. Perhaps God has even saved some of His Mercy for this faulty human being too? I pray it is so.

I believe many of us throw God, or at least His Gifts to us, away quite regularly, albeit to a much lesser extent than Judas did once, but we metaphorically throw Him away all the same. So there but for the Grace of God go any of us.


Agreed, we are not to know who is in Hell or who will go there.
Keep the Faith!

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Yes Jesus wants that "no one will perish, but that all will inherit eternal life..."

I wish I could remember that more often when I am so quick to judge people.
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