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Churches condemn Saudi fatwa
Topic Started: Friday, 30. March 2012, 19:18 (279 Views)
Rose of York
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OsullivanB
Tuesday, 3. April 2012, 20:19
Almost. I am exploring this question. Does the language of "rights" reflect anything that Jesus taught (or for that matter St Paul)? Or was Jesus concerned exclusively with our obligations? He never said that our neighbour had the right to be loved by us as we love ourselves. He never said that the man by the wayside had a right to be helped by the Samaritan etc. etc. When the labourers in the vineyard stood up for their "right" to fair pay it became clear that they had no such "right".
For every right there is a corresponding obligation.

For every obligation there is a corresponding right.

In my non legal mind, as I am obliged to love my neighbour, she is entitled to receive it, and I do not equate loving with liking. It could be something simple, such as stopping to offer assistance when I see a person I do not like one bit, lying by the side of the road with a broken leg.
Keep the Faith!

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Anne-Marie

Rose of York
Tuesday, 3. April 2012, 20:30
For every right there is a corresponding obligation.
For every obligation there is a corresponding right.

In my non legal mind, as I am obliged to love my neighbour, she is entitled to receive it.
That you, as a Christian, have a duty in no wise implies that 'she' has a right.

And as OSB is so fond of pointing out, 'Where does the Bible say it?'

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Anne-Marie
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OsullivanB

Quite. We have a great facility for reading into Christianity what in fact is derived from other sources - and I am not raising the seductive spectres of Tradition and Authority here.

If my neighbour knows I am a Christian, he has a reasonable expectation that I will help him when needed. He has no right to such help, though in most situations I would have a duty as a Christian to provide it.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Anne-Marie
Tuesday, 3. April 2012, 21:14
Rose of York
Tuesday, 3. April 2012, 20:30
For every right there is a corresponding obligation.
For every obligation there is a corresponding right.

In my non legal mind, as I am obliged to love my neighbour, she is entitled to receive it.
That you, as a Christian, have a duty in no wise implies that 'she' has a right.

And as OSB is so fond of pointing out, 'Where does the Bible say it?'

:juggle:
We must agree to differ.

I am unable to support my position by quoting from the Bible, but some things are in the moral law, and that existed before any of the Bible was written.
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OsullivanB

That really is precisely the point. The moral law addresses us about what we each must and must not do, not what we can demand of another.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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I never said we can demand of another, but if I were lying by the side of a road, I think I have a moral right to be helped by any person able and willing to do that.

The moral of this conversation is, don't argue with a barrister.

:rofl:

Do Christians have a moral right to have places of worship in predominantly muslim countries?
Do muslims have a moral right to have mosques in predominantly Christian countries?

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Anne-Marie

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Tuesday, 3. April 2012, 23:45
Do Christians have a moral right to have places of worship in predominantly muslim countries?
Do muslims have a moral right to have mosques in predominantly Christian countries?
YES and NO respectively.

The moral of which is 'Don't argue with the righteous!'

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