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Church Reform
Topic Started: Thursday, 29. March 2012, 19:57 (283 Views)
Mairtin
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Emee
Friday, 30. March 2012, 22:09
Let's face it, none of us, not the hierarchy, nor the laity, are perfect, but what we all are is part of one Church set up by God and we have to work together in this or else it will be the Body of Christ that will suffer. The arm cannot say to the head: "I don't need you." etc.
I agree with you 100%, Emee. Now, how do we get the hierarchy to go beyond mouthing platitudes and actually start implementing this?
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Gerard

The Catholic Church is desperately in need of reform. Its leadership has become tyrranical and corrupt. The leadership is modelled on secular medieval style absolute monarchies and is totally out of touch with the modern, educated, information filled world.

Today the leadership is attempting to invigorate the church by enforcing even more old style medieval authoritarianism.

Gerry
Edited by Gerard, Saturday, 31. March 2012, 10:39.
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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paul

Unfortunately, Gerald I agree with you. Not all church authority is "corrupt". What I dislike is the lack of consultation with the parishoners and financial decisions made without consultation leaving the parishoners to pay any monies.
Some clerics hide behind rules and regulations and should not be in a parish where people expect relationships to develop well with their pp. People skills are required, there is an expectation from some quarters that being a pp entitles them to some sort of special treatment. The sacrament of ordination is a gift from God for the people not just for the individual, the two are inseparable. Some pps are miss placed in a parish and would be more suited to a desk job of some sort as they seem unable to want or are capable of dealing with the coal face matters of a parish.

There is a tendency to close ranks when criticism is levied. Quite understandable, but the reasons need to be examined and a pp replaced (assuming there is another available)! where the criticism is seen to be justified.
Unfortunately, people vote with their feet and are driven away, very sad. Let us all pray for these pps.
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Marts

Apparently a pp is appointed for a fixed term and cannot be removed by the bishop except for serious breaches of canon law.

I am not sure of this and clarification would be appreciated.
Jesus told us, his disciples, “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth” (John 16:13)
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Derekap
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paul
Saturday, 31. March 2012, 19:12
Unfortunately, Gerald I agree with you. Not all church authority is "corrupt". What I dislike is the lack of consultation with the parishoners and financial decisions made without consultation leaving the parishoners to pay any monies.
Some clerics hide behind rules and regulations and should not be in a parish where people expect relationships to develop well with their pp. People skills are required, there is an expectation from some quarters that being a pp entitles them to some sort of special treatment. The sacrament of ordination is a gift from God for the people not just for the individual, the two are inseparable. Some pps are miss placed in a parish and would be more suited to a desk job of some sort as they seem unable to want or are capable of dealing with the coal face matters of a parish.

There is a tendency to close ranks when criticism is levied. Quite understandable, but the reasons need to be examined and a pp replaced (assuming there is another available)! where the criticism is seen to be justified.
Unfortunately, people vote with their feet and are driven away, very sad. Let us all pray for these pps.

Sadly we are so short of priests the Bishops have little choice with appointments. In my native city (York) there are eight parishes and seven priests and an existing pp (or administrator because he was formerly an Anglican Minister) is retiring in September. Some of the parishes had two or three priests at one time.

Marts. I have never heard of pps (or other priests) being appointed for a designated term.
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