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Why Doesn't The Church Canonise Saints of the OT
Topic Started: Monday, 20. February 2012, 11:39 (165 Views)
Derekap
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Surely, for all their faults and weaknesses the Old Testament Prophets are in Heaven? Then why doesn't The Church canonise them? Do we hear of Catholic and Schismatic Churches being dedicated to Isaah, Moses, etc - or even St Adam? I know we have St David but then he is post Jesus's Life on earth. We can't say they are Jewish because Jesus and Our Lady and other Apostles were Jewish. Also we have a Jewish convert of recent times who is now a Saint. We can't say they were sometimes naughty because St Paul and many other Saints were also naughty at one time.
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Derekap
Monday, 20. February 2012, 11:39
Surely, for all their faults and weaknesses the Old Testament Prophets are in Heaven? Then why doesn't The Church canonise them? Do we hear of Catholic and Schismatic Churches being dedicated to Isaah, Moses, etc - or even St Adam? I know we have St David but then he is post Jesus's Life on earth. We can't say they are Jewish because Jesus and Our Lady and other Apostles were Jewish. Also we have a Jewish convert of recent times who is now a Saint. We can't say they were sometimes naughty because St Paul and many other Saints were also naughty at one time.
We had this discussion before a short while ago.
The Orthodox Church has churches dedicated to Moses, Abraham etc (but not St Moses, St Abraham) and have days dedicated to them.
As for why the Catholic Church doesn't, I suppose it's to do with practice. While the Orthodox Church doesn't have a formal system of canonisation, they venerate as saints through local acclamation and popular devotion.
Theologically, because Christ descended into the Hades (Sheol in Hebrew; abode of the dead) after crucifixion, the Old Testament heroes had a chance to hear and respond to the gospel and therefore are deemed to have been redeemed and saved, and to be now in heaven. But the fact they lived before the time of Christ and didn't explicitly bear witness to Christ through their death, writings or works make them unsuitable candidates for canonisation.
In the pre-Vatican II calendar, the Holy Maccabean Martyrs were commemorated on 1st August, so there are some exceptions.
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Christmas Eve is apparently also the feast of Ss Adam and Eve.
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Wednesday, 22. February 2012, 23:56
Christmas Eve is apparently also the feast of Ss Adam and Eve.
SAINTS Adam & Eve???
Aren't these the characters who are responsible for taking us away from God???
Or am I mistaken???

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Clare
Wednesday, 22. February 2012, 23:56
Christmas Eve is apparently also the feast of Ss Adam and Eve.
I can find no reference to that.

Catholic Online list of saints show one St Adam but no St Eve.

http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=32

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he began a severe life of recollection in a cave on the slopes of Mount Vissiano.


Now we know, Adam needed to find somewhere to live after he was evicted from the Garden of Eden. I wonder if he kicked his wife out, for what she had "made" him do?

Seriously though, Clare, do you know where there is any information about "Saints Adam and Eve"? But for them there would have been no need for the events of the first Christmas.
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Thursday, 23. February 2012, 09:51
Clare
Wednesday, 22. February 2012, 23:56
Christmas Eve is apparently also the feast of Ss Adam and Eve.
SAINTS Adam & Eve???
Aren't these the characters who are responsible for taking us away from God???
Or am I mistaken???

:wacko:
And St Paul persecuted Christians.
And St Mary Magdalen was a prostitute.

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Thursday, 23. February 2012, 13:36
Seriously though, Clare, do you know where there is any information about "Saints Adam and Eve"? But for them there would have been no need for the events of the first Christmas.
Repentance and forgiveness?

Anyhow, look here, and follow the links.

I would imagine that they would have been among the good Old Testament folk that Our Lord released from Limbo, when He descended there.
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Thursday, 23. February 2012, 16:44
And St Paul persecuted Christians.
And St Mary Magdalen was a prostitute.

People come good sometimes!
Clare, Pope Gregory the Great first suggested that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute in 591. In 1969 the Vatican rejected his analysis, but the damage was done as can be seen from your post.

There is no evidence to suggest Mary Magdalene was a prostitute.


Jesus told us, his disciples, “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth” (John 16:13)
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Thursday, 23. February 2012, 16:52
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Thursday, 23. February 2012, 13:36
Seriously though, Clare, do you know where there is any information about "Saints Adam and Eve"? But for them there would have been no need for the events of the first Christmas.
Repentance and forgiveness?

Anyhow, look here, and follow the links.

I would imagine that they would have been among the good Old Testament folk that Our Lord released from Limbo, when He descended there.
That led me to this link. http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00CcKV

There is nothing authoritative I can find, to suggest the feast of "Saints" Adam and Eve is on 24th December. Who is to know whether they lived virtuous lives after The Fall?
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Thursday, 23. February 2012, 17:14
There is nothing authoritative I can find, to suggest the feast of "Saints" Adam and Eve is on 24th December. Who is to know whether they lived virtuous lives after The Fall?
You probably won't find anything authoritative enough, but there should be enough to show I've not made it up!

St Monica's Kneeler:
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Feast Day of Adam and Eve
December 24
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A bit on how the feast day (celebrated in the Eastern Rite but not the Roman Church)...

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Adam the Patriarch
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24 December

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There are the Old Testament saints. Some of their stories are more exciting than all of Grimm's fairy tales. Think of the stories of Abraham when he goes up the mountain to sacrifice his only son; of King David and King Solomon; the prophet Jeremiah; Daniel in the lion's den; and Tobias with his friend, Raphael; not to forget our saintly first parents, Adam and Eve, whose feast the Church celebrates on the vigil of the birth of Our Lord, December 24th.

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Christian tradition generally recognizes that Adam and Eve are in heaven. Their memorial has been celebrated in the Church on December 24.
Edited by Clare, Thursday, 23. February 2012, 21:36.
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In all life until now, I've never realised until this forum that Sts Adam and Eve were celebrated on 24 December in the Latin Rite of our Church. Perhaps because all the build-up to Christmas Eve and Day suppressed the celebration. Nor did I realise that the Orthodox Churches celebrated and/or dedicated their churches to Old Testament personalities.

The longer I live the more I learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I wonder how many Catholic Cockneys adam and eve it!)
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The answer is because the church did not canonise Saints for more than 1500 years. Saints were acclaimed through the people of God not the hierarchy.
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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