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| Will They Never Learn? - Part 2 | |
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| Topic Started: Saturday, 28. January 2012, 09:23 (536 Views) | |
| Anne-Marie | Thursday, 9. February 2012, 08:12 Post #31 |
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Things are actually a whole lot worse than you indicate, Rose... Because, far from trying to put things right, the sort of priest who now gets 'promoted' into the Vatican (even from this country) is one who believes in dictatorial management, in which the laity are only informed about what it is decided to let them know, are not consulted, are expected not to have opinions, and are most definitely not tolerated expressing them! With that sort of character still joining the present dysfunctional bunch, things can only continue deteriorating - to the extent I can well understand how Martin Luther was not amused at what he found in the Vatican all those centuries back. It has nothing whatever to do with God - as my Mum once told a priest, "I go to church for God, not the priest!" The priest was not amused! Like Rose, I am grateful for the media (and leakers) keeping us informed of the reality of the Vatican - those in it will probably only be content when there is just one Catholic left: one Catholic who accepts anything and questions nothing. Seems the devil is alive and well, and still in residence! Edited by Anne-Marie, Thursday, 9. February 2012, 10:16.
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| Anne-Marie | Thursday, 9. February 2012, 10:15 Post #32 |
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Methinks Mgr.Scicluna might be next for the chop, aka 'promotion' out of harms way: http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/EN1/articolo.asp?c=561608 |
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| tomais | Thursday, 9. February 2012, 10:16 Post #33 |
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The only major Christian grouping without these upsets,problems and bristling ego-am-we-are-rightisms, are the Quakers . There is a parallel they too suffer in silence,but then they get a direct benefit from this practice. Tom |
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| Marts | Thursday, 9. February 2012, 12:55 Post #34 |
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Maybe not. He has not suggested any new modes of accountability for the bishops in this article. “What we need to do is be vigilant in choosing candidates for the important role of bishop and use guidelines that already exist for the accountability of bishops”. Are bishops not only accountable to the Pope? |
| Jesus told us, his disciples, “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth” (John 16:13) | |
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| Rose of York | Thursday, 9. February 2012, 20:02 Post #35 |
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Vatican Information Service
The Vatican has issued a denial of the claims made in the media. Allegations have been made, let us be prudent and refrain from claiming they are true. |
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| paul | Thursday, 9. February 2012, 20:15 Post #36 |
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How much Mafia influence/infiltration is there in the Vatican or the Italian church? Do you remember the case of the guy found hanging from a bridge with heavy stones in his pockets? Is the church more afraid of scandal than exposing corruption? |
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| Marts | Thursday, 9. February 2012, 22:21 Post #37 |
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The child abuse crisis has shown that the answer to this question is Yes. |
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| Derekap | Thursday, 9. February 2012, 22:46 Post #38 |
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"to accounts they allegedly held at the Institute for the Works of Religion (IOR), better known as the “Vatican Bank”." By the way, if the institute is a bank why not call it so instead of an intellectual name? I don't think it is the only department of The Vatican which has unclear names. |
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| Anne-Marie | Friday, 10. February 2012, 13:15 Post #39 |
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Don't know how normal it is, but parishioners were somewhat surprised to learn at Mass this morning that our new priest has known of his appointment for FOUR months - we've known for only three weeks! In the CoE (Ordinariate as well?) the parishioners must be consulted and agree first: Wonder which system is the better? |
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| Ned | Friday, 10. February 2012, 17:06 Post #40 |
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To be fair, Anne-Marie, he was probably 'on stand-by' for the middle two of those four months. He'd most likely told that the plan was for him to go to your church. But he'd have everything tidied-up in his old parish and if during that time a situation arose elsewhere in the diocese where a new parish-priest was needed next day then he'd have gone in there. It does happen, and sadly it's not that rare nowadays. |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 14. February 2012, 23:59 Post #41 |
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Why can't they just tell the receiving parish that then Ned? John |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 15. February 2012, 02:34 Post #42 |
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http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=19836
The Press release made me laugh and cry simultaneously. What a self pitying whinge! As for this bit what on earth are international anti-recycling norms? Are they something to do with putting money outside the door in laundry bags when the fortnightly collection is due? |
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| Ned | Wednesday, 15. February 2012, 04:13 Post #43 |
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I presume it's so as not to "spread alarm or despondency", John, and it seems sensible. Let's suppose that a parish-priest, Father A, suddenly decides that he's had enough of it, and walks out at a few hours notice. There's a competent and experienced parish-priest, Father B, available to be parachuted in, to be saying Mass on Sunday morning, and to be in post for several years, sorting out any mess. Meanwhile Father C, the priest that Father A was expecting to replace, has to stay where he is for a little bit longer, and is left wondering to whom he will now be handing over, and where he himself might be suddenly be re-directed to. I've not heard of any such thing recently but in this part of London, about five or six years ago, there were three instances, within a few months, of youngish priests unexpectedly "going off on Sabbatical". The big problem is that since Vatican 2 the Catholic priesthood has become a very stressful job and for all sorts of petty and unnecessary reasons. Edited by Ned, Wednesday, 15. February 2012, 04:14.
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| Anne-Marie | Wednesday, 15. February 2012, 10:17 Post #44 |
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I understand your reasoning, Ned - It just happens to be wrong. Our former priest had been chosen for the Vatican; Our new priest was not 'an experienced parish priest', he was a curate having been ordained only four years; There were three other curates 'ahead of him in the queue' awaiting their first parishes. He was hand-picked for us (just as our former priest was hand-picked for the Vatican), though it remains to be seen whether that is a compliment to him or to us! We had previously lost three priests in under three years, all due to 'breakdowns' - the then vicar-general took over to 'find out what is wrong with you' (his own words!), only to tell us after six months that 'There is nothing wrong with YOU at all.' After more than five years with a 'high-flyer', we now have a priest who set up two orphanages for street children in India and has no idea why he was sent to Britain! The current joke - started by our last priest - is that the priest before last (ex-vicar general) became a bishop; our last priest has been appointed to the curia... so this priest seems likely to become pope! Which just might be more true than he intended! We're not complaining about our new priest, but do wonder why we laity are treated as of so little consequence that we are told nothing - although that seems likely to change dramatically with our new priest, who insists he has joined our community, is one of us, and has no intention of being the shepherd out front expecting us to follow where he says: apparently we're now a team, which is quite an exciting prospect. |
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| Derekap | Wednesday, 15. February 2012, 17:11 Post #45 |
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Sad to say, I found Fr Lombardi's statement a lot of blah. I feel he was endeavouring to explain everything but didn't succeed. It would have been better if he'd not said anything. |
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