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Evangelisation
Topic Started: Tuesday, 27. December 2011, 01:22 (352 Views)
Marts

I think Gerard’s comments are basically those of 1 Peter 2:9 “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.”

Both Gerard and Peter are saying that as baptised Christians it is our God given right and duty to evangelise; all of us. There is no question here of waiting on priests while it is clear that as baptised brothers it is equally their duty and right. This is what God is calling us to do. Now.

Let’s go!
Jesus told us, his disciples, “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth” (John 16:13)
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Marts
Thursday, 19. April 2012, 14:47
Both Gerard and Peter are saying that as baptised Christians it is our God given right and duty to evangelise; all of us. There is no question here of waiting on priests while it is clear that as baptised brothers it is equally their duty and right. This is what God is calling us to do. Now.

Let’s go!
I agree with them, but as Gerard says, the clerical system can be used to impede us. I do my best, in conversation with individuals. In a typical parish any lay person who goes against the will of the priest and organises a team to go out into the market place and preach Catholicism will be chewed up for "having big ideas about themselves" and "doing it without permission". If a person decides to go ahead and do it they need to form a team of like minded people, that can be the hard bit.

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Our model is wrong because it tells people that there is an important class of people who do things or give permission to the lower class to do things and the lower class who turn up, pay up and shut up.
The important class of people are not all priests, it can include persons hand picked by a priest, the lower class being the rest, who are then unjustly accused of being unwilling to do their share, that gives the chosen ones an excuse for greedily putting their fingers in too many pies. My friend who is active in an Independent Evangelical community took advantage of the training that is available to all members, not restricted to The Chosen Ones.
Keep the Faith!

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Does Speakers' Corner at Hyde Park in London still exist? There was a famous priest (name I can't think of) who used to speak to the crowds every week.

Even in my own city one or two members of the SVP or Knights of St Columba used to speak to the people every week in a square used by the masrket on Saturdays. This was in my teenage days. How successful they were I haven't a clue.
Edited by Derekap, Thursday, 19. April 2012, 20:01.
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I don't think anyone looked at the link to my Diocese,(given on page 1). It is a shame, as there is collaboration between the laity and clergy. To say to the clergy "get out of the way" is ridiculous. Our "job" is to support, train, and encourage people to evangelize. Our Bishop took evangelization out of the parish, ehere a preist my not be open to it and brought it to the Diocese where he put people who are dedicated and qualified to teach others what they need to know. Any and all courses, meetings, outreaches are open to anyone who wishes to register. Permission of a Parish priest is not required and the costs are usually absorbed by the Diocese.
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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Deacon Robert
Thursday, 19. April 2012, 21:51
I don't think anyone looked at the link to my Diocese,(given on page 1). It is a shame, as there is collaboration between the laity and clergy. To say to the clergy "get out of the way" is ridiculous. Our "job" is to support, train, and encourage people to evangelize. Our Bishop took evangelization out of the parish, ehere a preist my not be open to it and brought it to the Diocese where he put people who are dedicated and qualified to teach others what they need to know. Any and all courses, meetings, outreaches are open to anyone who wishes to register. Permission of a Parish priest is not required and the costs are usually absorbed by the Diocese.
I remember taking a look, but not in depth. It may be that something happened to distract me. It is a very impressive programme, with articles about the needs of wounded Catholics, grandparents seeing their children raised without faith, recovering Catholics and many others with varying needs.

It would make a good model for other dioceses.
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Derekap
Thursday, 19. April 2012, 19:42
Does Speakers' Corner at Hyde Park in London still exist? There was a famous priest (name I can't think of) who used to speak to the crowds every week.
Fr. Vincent McNab
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Deacon Robert
Thursday, 19. April 2012, 21:51
I don't think anyone looked at the link to my Diocese,(given on page 1). It is a shame, as there is collaboration between the laity and clergy. To say to the clergy "get out of the way" is ridiculous. Our "job" is to support, train, and encourage people to evangelize. Our Bishop took evangelization out of the parish, ehere a preist my not be open to it and brought it to the Diocese where he put people who are dedicated and qualified to teach others what they need to know. Any and all courses, meetings, outreaches are open to anyone who wishes to register. Permission of a Parish priest is not required and the costs are usually absorbed by the Diocese.
How many clergy want "collaboration" and how many want "leadership". The proportion is overwhelmingly not the former. That is why we have a cowed and inactive laity. So it is not ridiculous to say they should get out of the way. Indeed, your own post provides an example of a Bishop needing to and taking steps to get clergy out of the way.

Gerry
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Gerard,

Did you go to the web site? If you did, you would have seen that except for token presence of clergy, very few are "in charge"
Edited by Deacon Robert, Friday, 20. April 2012, 11:18.
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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