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Higgs boson; The "God Particle"
Topic Started: Friday, 16. December 2011, 22:23 (407 Views)
Mairtin
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Rose of York
Saturday, 17. December 2011, 00:00
Yes there has to be a prime cause for everything. Whatever evidence the scientists come up with, I think some people will not accept there is a supreme being because they don't want to, that means somebody is in charge of everybody and everything.

Something or somebody made the Big Bang go BANG. It did not make its own decision, it had no brain.
The Big Bang theory is credited to a Belgian priest, Fr. Georges Lemaître. When Pope Pius XII first heard about it, he became very excited, seeing it as scientific verification of Catholic teaching. Fr. Lemaître had to write to him and diplomatically calm him down, pointing out that the theory could be interpreted either as verification of God or simply further evidence of entirely natural causes.

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PJD

If I remember correctly, centuries ago, Aquinas defined all bodily excperiences as material - including the thought, imagination, memory etc. So presumably if he were with us now he would back up the Higgs thing; and may even remark 'told you so'. :wacko:

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Edited by PJD, Wednesday, 21. December 2011, 18:46.
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pete

Thanks’ for putting me back on track Rose; it was way over my head Mairtin, must be my age, even though the media was full of the God particle this week I never put the two together. :hammer:
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Mairtin
Tuesday, 20. December 2011, 16:47
The Big Bang theory is credited to a Belgian priest, Fr. Georges Lemaître. When Pope Pius XII first heard about it, he became very excited, seeing it as scientific verification of Catholic teaching. Fr. Lemaître had to write to him and diplomatically calm him down, pointing out that the theory could be interpreted either as verification of God or simply further evidence of entirely natural causes.

God is not an unnatural cause. He is natural, in fact, he is more than that, he is supernatural.

Does that make sense?
Keep the Faith!

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I think that what happens in God's creation arises from natural causes except where God directly intervenes (e.g. incarnation, miracles, visions) when the intervention is a supernatural cause.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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I think that what happens in God's creation arises from natural causes except where God directly intervenes (e.g. incarnation, miracles, visions) when the intervention is a supernatural cause.

No one can argue with that OsB I agree completely.
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Monday, 19. December 2011, 18:12
I am used to life in this world as being finite. However, the way astronomers talk about planets, stars, suns, moons and Black Holes and millions of lights-years distance, I wonder if the Universe is infinite. Also I wonder why God created such a vast complicated Universe. The sun, the moon and a few stars would surely be sufficient for our earth?

I hope this isn't going 'off-topic'.
Why do composers write music. artists paint or authors pen novels? Some create because it is in their nature.
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http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=20926

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Jesuits and the ‘God Particle’
By: Fr Andrew Pinsent SJ

It has been reported this week that scientists at the Large Hadron Collider have increased their levels of certainty that they have found the Higgs boson. Where does this mysterious particle fit into our picture of the universe? In Thinking Faith, Former particle physicist, Fr Andrew Pinsent, explains the science behind the discovery of the Higgs and introduces us to some of the most crucial figures in the centuries of research upon which its prediction was based.

After nearly fifty years of work, the construction of the most complex research machines in history and the strenuous efforts of tens of thousands of scientists, two experimental collaborations at the CERN laboratory announced on 4 July 2012 the ‘probable’ discovery of the Higgs boson, the missing piece of the so-called Standard Model of physics.

As this particle is sometimes called the ‘God Particle,’ thanks to the title of a popular science book, and since it gives other particles their mass, various Catholic-themed Higgs jokes have been circulating. In reality, the discovery of this boson has no obvious implications for theology. Indeed, if any particle were to be called the ‘God particle,’ the photon, the particle of light, would probably be a far stronger candidate. Nevertheless, since this discovery is a major milestone it is worth reviewing its implications for the human quest to understand life, the universe and everything.

To read more of Fr Andrew's piece see: http://www.thinkingfaith.org/articles/20120803_1.htm


If you click the link http://www.thinkingfaith.org/articles/20120803_1.htm you can read the article written by Fr Andrew Pinsent. He was formerly a particle physicist working on the DELPHI experiment at CERN. Today he is a priest of Arundel and Brighton diocese and Research Director of the Ian Ramsey Centre for Science and Religion in the Theology Faculty of Oxford University.

That article will direct you to a link http://www.thinkingfaith.org/articles/20110727_1.htm to another article "The Ultimate Grand Theory of Everything by Michael Smith SJ" Fr Smith is a Jesuit priest who has spent most of his life in education. He read physics at Oxford and theology at Heythrop College in London, and this combination sparked off a life-long interest in how science and theology fit together.

Keep the Faith!

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tomais

Oddly in refering to the -proton-Pinsent S.J. does not go on the mention James Clerk Maxwell whos work led to Eisteins theories.
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