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Higgs boson; The "God Particle"
Topic Started: Friday, 16. December 2011, 22:23 (406 Views)
Rose of York
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If and when the Higgs boson is identified, will faith in an omnipotent divine creator become more or less widespread? BBC have a five minute video explaining the basics of the science.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16171200
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OsullivanB

The science , as always, will only serve to increase the wonderment of believers at what God did and how He went about it. I doubt it will add to or subtract from the number of believers.

I rather admire the faith of those who believe in the Higgs boson. No-one has seen it (or I think ever will).

The wonder is that it has already been identified. Now there is just a suspicion that it may actually exist and have been found.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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So they are looking for the Higgs boson , the so-called "god" particle". Step back one time more. If the boson is a physical reality and is prime in the physical realm, what came before it "out of nothing"? What or who came before? No, there has to be a first cause.
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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Rose of York
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Yes there has to be a prime cause for everything. Whatever evidence the scientists come up with, I think some people will not accept there is a supreme being because they don't want to, that means somebody is in charge of everybody and everything.

Something or somebody made the Big Bang go BANG. It did not make its own decision, it had no brain.
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OsullivanB

That gives us a reason to believe in a Creator, and there are those who will accept that but deny that we know anything about the Creator and in particular that we have no reason to suppose that the Creator has any continuing interest in the creation. They point to natural disasters as evidence of this.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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PJD

"The science , as always, will only serve to increase the wonderment of believers at what God did and how He went about it. I doubt it will add to or subtract from the number of believers.

I rather admire the faith of those who believe in the Higgs boson. No-one has seen it (or I think ever will).

The wonder is that it has already been identified. Now there is just a suspicion that it may actually exist and have been found.

OsB"


I agree entirely with what OsB has written above.

As I understand it (plese let me know if I am wrong) - in just the same way as splitting the atom turns mass into energy, the boson acts as a sort of mediator enabling the reverse i.e. energy is turned into matter. If so this could open a kind of pandora box acting against the anti-theists (in the philosophical sense I mean), inasmuch as it can raise the concept that evil might not permeate humanity in a non-material sense but actualizes itself in the form of matter - or bullets if you like that cannot destroy free will but can deflect it. You may ask how does this conjecture affect anything - well if the vices can become materialized it would explain a lot in the same way as if ideas become materialized that also would explain a lot especially if they were bad ideas; and incidentally many of which such particles could kill the body.

Muse about it.

PJD
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paul

Who created the enigmatic Higgs Bosun?

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OsullivanB

I have read that it is necessary to account for mass. I therefore take it to be a Catholic particle.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Derekap
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"I have read that it is necessary to account for mass. I therefore take it to be a Catholic particle"

Extraordinary or Ordinary?
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I agree that this fascinating work does not prove or disprove the existence of God. I think though that this demonstration of the tremendously complicated universe and the forces within it should cause Catholics and other Christians to at least consider whether the Faith as we know it contains the WHOLE truth about Creation and salvation. I think the Church does accommodate new findings--for instance the present Pope and his predecessor have championed the science of evolution in terms that would have seemed strange, even scandalous, in the past

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I am used to life in this world as being finite. However, the way astronomers talk about planets, stars, suns, moons and Black Holes and millions of lights-years distance, I wonder if the Universe is infinite. Also I wonder why God created such a vast complicated Universe. The sun, the moon and a few stars would surely be sufficient for our earth?

I hope this isn't going 'off-topic'.
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Derekap
Monday, 19. December 2011, 18:12
I hope this isn't going 'off-topic'.
I think it is very much on-topic. The Universe is indeed vast and I am confident everything exists for a purpose. How anybody can say it just happened with no intelligent being involved is beyond me.
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OsullivanB

I have read that the nickname "God particle" has no implications for belief or not in God. It originated from an editor who preferred not to have the phrase "the goddam particle" in hie newspaper.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Gerard

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Lederman said he gave the Higgs boson the nickname "The God Particle" because the particle is "so central to the state of physics today, so crucial to our understanding of the structure of matter, yet so elusive," but jokingly added that a second reason was because "the publisher wouldn't let us call it the Goddamn Particle, though that might be a more appropriate title, given its villainous nature and the expense it is causing."
Edited by Gerard, Tuesday, 20. December 2011, 15:53.
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OsullivanB

Thanks for making that clear, Gerry.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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