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Do Animals Have Souls?; If they can go to heaven - can they be damned?
Topic Started: Wednesday, 2. December 2009, 19:57 (1,798 Views)
Emee
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I don't believe that for one minute.

Following that argument you would be saying that Our Lady is neither female nor male, effectively a eunoch, which I do not believe for one minute.

Our Lady is quite definitely female and a Mother.

I think there will be gender in Heaven - consider the Saints. The "woman or man no more" verse in the Bible relates more to the gender restrictions placed on people within society (and very marked at Biblical times) rather than us actually not being male or female any more.
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John Sweeney
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:27
No pets, no women? What's the position on drink and football there? Only it's not sounding too good so far

John
To be honest, John, I think we're stuffed on those fronts wherever we end up.

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Rose of York
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Do they do forums in Heaven, or are they all in Hell?
Keep the Faith!

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Emee
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:30
I don't believe that for one minute.

Following that argument you would be saying that Our Lady is neither female nor male, effectively a eunoch, which I do not believe for one minute.

Our Lady is quite definitely female and a Mother.

I think there will be gender in Heaven - consider the Saints. The "woman or man no more" verse in the Bible relates more to the gender restrictions placed on people within society (and very marked at Biblical times) rather than us actually not being male or female any more.
Emee,

Angels, God and Our Lady are asexual. Angels were created genderless by God, as is God and Our Lady, in Heaven. Our statues of Our Lady, Our Blessed Lord and the saints are statues of their earthly, bodily forms.

Consider that the need for gender is to procreate. Without procreation, is there a need for gender? Without bodies, there cannot be procreation.
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Joe Valente
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As a Belfast man I believe that there is football in Heaven and the team that consistently wins is actually captained by one
Charles Patrick Tully aka "Cheeky Charlie"
What doth it profit a man if he gains the whole world but suffers the loss of his soul
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Joe Valente
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:35
As a Belfast man I believe that there is football in Heaven and the team that consistently wins is actually captained by one
Charles Patrick Tully aka "Cheeky Charlie"
You're going back a few years!
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"Angels, God and Our Lady are asexual. Angels were created genderless by God, as is God and Our Lady, in Heaven. Our statues of Our Lady, Our Blessed Lord and the saints are statues of their earthly, bodily forms."

Now, before I assimilate this, could someone tell me whether this is spelled out in the Bible or is it handed down in Tradition? And is it doctrine or merely custom and practice which could be changed in the future? Or is it in that middle category which could be switched from doctrine to custom and practice and then ditched as needs must?


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Patrick
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:38
Joe Valente
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:35
As a Belfast man I believe that there is football in Heaven and the team that consistently wins is actually captained by one
Charles Patrick Tully aka "Cheeky Charlie"
You're going back a few years!
Whats a few years in heavenly time ? :wacko:
What doth it profit a man if he gains the whole world but suffers the loss of his soul
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Emee
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Patrick

A mother is a mother, and that's all I'm going to say on the matter.

We will have our bodies restored to us. We will be the same only glorified.

That's my last word on the matter.
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Joe Valente
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:39
Patrick
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:38
Joe Valente
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:35
As a Belfast man I believe that there is football in Heaven and the team that consistently wins is actually captained by one
Charles Patrick Tully aka "Cheeky Charlie"
You're going back a few years!
Whats a few years in heavenly time ? :wacko:
You're not there yet. :rofl:

Those few years by which you went back were irish time.
Keep the Faith!

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Patrick
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:34
Angels, God and Our Lady are asexual. Angels were created genderless by God, as is God and Our Lady, in Heaven. Our statues of Our Lady, Our Blessed Lord and the saints are statues of their earthly, bodily forms.

Consider that the need for gender is to procreate. Without procreation, is there a need for gender? Without bodies, there cannot be procreation.
Our Lady's body was assumed into Heaven. She is still a woman.
Keep the Faith!

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Patrick
Monday, 7. December 2009, 00:34
Without bodies, there cannot be procreation.
I take it then that when you recite the Nicene Creed, you stop at that part about "I believe in the resurrection of the body".
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Patrick,
You let someone have the remote. For me only when :pigfly:
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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Em.

This argument disturbs me.
The Holy Mother was born of another human so she was/is/will always be HUMAN. By conceiving the son of God did not change her.
She also died as a human being will, the fact that she was taken into heaven body and soul does not change that fact one iota.
To my mind, for all it's worth, I tend to accept that God, maybe genderless, He is what you think of Him. I think of Him as a supreme being.
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SeanJ
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Don't worry Em.

Of course Our Lady was human. She was Conceived Immaculately.

She was also a female. She was not asexual. She had a womb. She bore a child.

Sean

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