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| Do Animals Have Souls?; If they can go to heaven - can they be damned? | |
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| PJD | Sunday, 22. April 2012, 18:12 Post #166 |
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"To take one example among many, why did God create the most distant bodies in the Universe, many of which we cannot even see (yet) and some of which, though we can see them, may no longer exist?" Simple OsB - we will be able to visit - and/or - occupy them. PJD |
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 22. April 2012, 19:46 Post #167 |
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You mean it's a sort of theme park for the afterlife? |
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| James | Sunday, 22. April 2012, 20:16 Post #168 |
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Well now Bernard, Given that Jesus only came for the sinner and not the righteous. One might say the animal is righteous and does not need salvation. In that light would you consider there may be circumstantial evidence for the animal afterlife. There may well be a place - but I hope not another theme park. http://www.dreamshore.net/rococo/pope.html Edited by James, Sunday, 22. April 2012, 20:22.
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| PJD | Sunday, 22. April 2012, 21:26 Post #169 |
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"You mean it's a sort of theme park for the afterlife?" Yes OsB (not referring to animals at this point) - in other words in the afterlife we will have "choices" - a reasonable theological acceptance so I believe. PJD |
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 22. April 2012, 21:51 Post #170 |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 22. April 2012, 22:13 Post #171 |
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We believe in the resurrection of the dead. I cannot see why God would raise our bodies if we are not to be in places, it could be that the "New Earth" will consist of the whole physical Universe. If animals are also able to go to Heaven, we and they will be able to explore together, in continuing companionship. |
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| Deacon Robert | Sunday, 22. April 2012, 23:53 Post #172 |
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While we are speculating about animal souls and existence in heaven, you may find those distant planets inhabited. Nothing in scripture prohibits this. In fact did not Jesus say he had other sheep and other sheepfolds? We may not have understood fully what he meant.
Edited by Deacon Robert, Sunday, 22. April 2012, 23:58.
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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne | |
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| Derekap | Monday, 23. April 2012, 14:27 Post #173 |
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Are you, Deacon Robert, hinting that after we die we shall be able to look at our wristlet watch and command Scotie to beam me up to a civilisation a billion light years away? |
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| PJD | Monday, 23. April 2012, 16:00 Post #174 |
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"While we are speculating about animal souls and existence in heaven, you may find those distant planets inhabited. Nothing in scripture prohibits this. In fact did not Jesus say he had other sheep and other sheepfolds? We may not have understood fully what he meant. Edited by Deacon Robert, Yesterday, 10:58 PM." Never thought of that Deacon! But then I'm not a scriptural buff - you need someone like James or Gerry for that. PJD |
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| Gerard | Monday, 23. April 2012, 20:44 Post #175 |
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I always was aware that I didnt have a clue what that verse meant. Gerry |
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| James | Monday, 23. April 2012, 21:06 Post #176 |
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I'm not a scriptural buff PJD. I just listen to the voices and they tell me what to say or do. It's all quite straightforward when you hear the voices and get the odd insight now and again. Gerry is the real buff. Burns the midnight oil - big time. He is just being modest in his last post James Edited by James, Monday, 23. April 2012, 21:51.
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| James | Monday, 23. April 2012, 21:43 Post #177 |
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0:16. And other sheep I have that are not of this fold: them also I must bring. And they shall hear my voice: And there shall be one fold and one shepherd. 10:22. And it was the feast of the dedication at Jerusalem: and it was winter. 10:23. And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon's porch. 10:24. The Jews therefore came round about him and said to him: How long dost thou hold our souls in suspense? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 10:25. Jesus answered them: I speak to you, and you believe not: the works that I do in the name of my Father, they give testimony of me. 10:26. But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep. 10:27. My sheep hear my voice. And I know them: and they follow me. ______________________________________ There you are, in black and white, PJD It all has to do with voices. Edited by James, Monday, 23. April 2012, 21:50.
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| Emee | Monday, 23. April 2012, 22:33 Post #178 |
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Well to be fair; only one voice actually... ![]() (Oh gosh, why am I now suddenly thinking of Barry Manilow!? "... and all the world can sing!" )
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| Deacon Robert | Monday, 23. April 2012, 23:12 Post #179 |
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I stopped listening to the voices in my head a long time ago. Now I only pay mind the the one voice that speaks to my soul. |
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| James | Tuesday, 24. April 2012, 00:04 Post #180 |
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Is your head and your soul idifferent departments Deacon.? Memo to secretary "Switch off all head points and re-route singular incoming messages via soul please." But God may speak from the Holy Spirit or Christ or the Father may come in direct. Boss There could be several voices. You got my message - now "do it" Yes Boss whatever you say Boss. Coffee now or later Boss ?
Edited by James, Tuesday, 24. April 2012, 00:07.
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