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Praying in churches of other denominations; Split from the Ordinariate topic
Topic Started: Monday, 28. November 2011, 14:28 (1,543 Views)
Clare
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OsullivanB
Thursday, 8. December 2011, 21:46
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A letter by Saint Ignatius of Antioch to the Romans, written in AD 106 says: "I desire the bread of GOD, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ."
Writing to the Christians of Smyrna, in about AD 106, Saint Ignatius warned them to "stand aloof from such heretics", because, among other reasons, "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again."
That is good (but by no means the only) evidence for an early belief in what has since become the developed doctrine of transubstantiation, notably as expounded by Aquinas in Aristotelian terms.
It's also good evidence to show that worshipping with heretics is to be avoided.

...Saint Ignatius warned them to "stand aloof from such heretics", because, among other reasons, "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again."
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Clare
Wednesday, 14. December 2011, 11:51
...Saint Ignatius warned them to "stand aloof from such heretics", because, among other reasons, "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again."
St Ignatius addressed the instruction to Christians in Rome in the second century. He said "they abstain from prayer". Non Christian Romans were not Christians. Therefore the advice given by St Ignatius cannot be applied to 21st Century Catholics praying with other Christians.

Clare, how about me joining in prayer with a group of local Anglicans and non conformist Christians, in a house, sharing Bible readings and praying to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? If the group gets going it will not be aligned to any organised church or chapel.

Keep the Faith!

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Rose of York
Wednesday, 14. December 2011, 13:29
how about me joining in prayer with a group of local Anglicans and non conformist Christians, in a house, sharing Bible readings and praying to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
You only have to look at some of the characters Jesus consorted with to realise we have to take Him out of our ghettos and into 'hostile' territory!
It is our duty to scatter the seed... and His to use that seed as He sees best.
Of course we must share our Faith - with anyone and everyone.
Anne-Marie
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Gerard

I am not sure that this would be taking Jesus out into hostile territory. But I do think it would be an excellent group to join and would be strengthened by a catholic presence.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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That is my view, Gerry. The local Baptists, Evangelicals, Methodists and Anglicans are far from hostile towards my Catholicism. A Catholic presence in a neighbourhood group gathering to pray to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can be a force for good and beneficial to the individual who is not one of the crew who are able to be in church every day.

To those who say a Catholic should not be involved with such a group I ask what is a convert to Catholicism to do if a parent is seriously ill and the siblings kneel to pray? Walk out of the room, or stand respectfully in silence, opting out of praying? NO WAY! What is a Catholic married to a person not Catholic to do, when their child is dying? Say to the spouse "As I am a Catholic and you are not, we must pray separately?"
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Clare
Wednesday, 14. December 2011, 11:51
It's also good evidence to show that worshipping with heretics is to be avoided.
Protestants are not heretics, you have to start off as a Catholic to become a heretic.

Tell me, do you seriously believe that God is going to condemn somebody for living their life as they were brought up and following the beliefs handed down from their parents and grandparents?

Does the thought never occur to you that if you had happened to be born into a good living, religious Protestant family, you would quite likely feel as strong about your Protestant faith as you do now about your Catholic faith?
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Jamie

You are right Mairtin - religious belief is almost entirely due to geography, family tradition and local culture...
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Clare
Saturday, 10. December 2011, 15:12
What's the difference between a terrorist and a liturgist?
You can negotiate with a terrorist.

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Dead right. SSPX liturgists reject the doctrinal preamble offered by the Pope. Well he did try to negotiate. What should he do next? Invite a terrorist to mediate?

:rofl:
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Wednesday, 14. December 2011, 11:51
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Thursday, 8. December 2011, 21:46
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A letter by Saint Ignatius of Antioch to the Romans, written in AD 106 says: "I desire the bread of GOD, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ."
Writing to the Christians of Smyrna, in about AD 106, Saint Ignatius warned them to "stand aloof from such heretics", because, among other reasons, "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again."
That is good (but by no means the only) evidence for an early belief in what has since become the developed doctrine of transubstantiation, notably as expounded by Aquinas in Aristotelian terms.
It's also good evidence to show that worshipping with heretics is to be avoided.
The Eucharist is not necessarily involved when a group of Christians of different denominations pray together.

When two or three people gather to pray to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, nobody is commiting heresy in that place at that time.
Keep the Faith!

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paul

I facilitate an ecumenical bible study group weekly at the cathedral in plymouth. I have priests, vicars, ministers of different christian faiths lead the group.
The group is truly ecumenical and we pray together. We benefit from a greater understanding of each others' faiths. When two or more are gathered in my name!

We need each other as christians as Christ would want.

Dominus vobiscum
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Paul, I think you do very well indeed! Jesus Christ didn't exclude the 'non-converted'! Discussion is often better than preaching!
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Well, so far the weather forecast suggests that the weather this Christmas will be a lot better than las time when the weather meant I could not go to Midnight Mass. All being well I shall drive the 6 miles or so to my Catholic Church for 12 o'clock and meet up with friends and celebrate mass as always. If however the weather closes in again and I can't travel then I shall walk the quarter mile or so to the local Church in Wales for their Midnight Mass and participate to the full extent that they will permit. When you strip away all the pretentious language and convoluted arrangement s around the Ordinarwhatnot, in essence the powers that be have acknowledged that we are all one and the same and I am very happy with that long overdue decision



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I read a very encouraging piece in last week's Tablet. A couple are being married in a Catholic ceremony in Wewyn Garden City and the bishop has granted permission for the parish priest to incorporate many Jewish elements into the celebration. These include the couple standing under the traditional Jewish wedding canopy , the chuppah, the bridegroom wearing the traditional skullcap and his crushing a glass underfoot at the end of the ceremony.

Brilliant to hear of this co-operation between Christian and non-Christian faiths and it puts into perspective the theme of this topic of co-worship with our fellow Christians. My purely personal view is that it shows that our clergy for the most part work quietly away at making things work for people despite the nonsense from extremists


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John, you awful man! Are you actually TRYING to ruin Christmas for the so-called Traditionalists? Don't blame me if they turn up with logs and burn you at the stake.

Whatever anybody's views about attending other churches, it must have taken quite an effort walking over that treacherous ice to your local parish church last Christmas Day.
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Fortunately this Christmas the weather was so mild that I was able without any major effort to drive to our church about 5 miles away. About 200 people there but there had been the usual 6.30 Saturday vigil Mass and the estimate for that was 600 with our PP having to rush to appoint stewards to control the crowd. Don't know where they came from or what they will do next Sunday!!

My neighbours drove to their little country Church in Wales church rather than go to the one down the road as they did last year and afterwards the whole congregation went to the local pub for mince pies, ale and a sing song which they described as magical


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