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| Praying in churches of other denominations; Split from the Ordinariate topic | |
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| Topic Started: Monday, 28. November 2011, 14:28 (1,549 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Tuesday, 29. November 2011, 21:57 Post #16 |
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Last year when I had been hospitalised following an accident, a Methodist friend asked if I would like to be included by name in the prayers at his chapel. My Evangelical friends did likewise. I was delighted at being asked. No way was I going to turn down the offers on the grounds both those churches are heretical sects. Two or three (actually more than three) were gathered in His name, sincerely praying, nobody can convince me God did not hear and respond to those prayers. |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 29. November 2011, 22:03 Post #17 |
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I like Evensong in Anglican Cathedrals and attend and join in whenever circumstances permit. Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 29. November 2011, 22:08 Post #18 |
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We arranged to spend a week in a cottage belonging to the aunties in Devon. They invited me to attend a service in their local Church of England church. I went and have no regrets. We were a family at prayer. Their home had pictures of the Sacred Heart, a crucifix (yes a crucifix not a plain cross) and religious statues. Some years later, when one auntie knew she was dying she lay there in her bed very weak, and managed to whisper "pray, pray, please". I read from my battered old missal, Prayers for the Dying. When I left her that day she looked more at peace. She used to lie in her bed in the nursing home staring at the crucifix, hanging on the wall very close to her. The lady received instruction and was confirmed in the Church of England when she was aged about 60. I always suspected she was attracted to Catholicism. No doubt some would say "if that is so she is guilty of culpable ignorance, she should have sought instruction from the Catholic priest." All I can say is I wish I was as close to God as she was an I believe, is right now. Ooops, I should have mentioned I went to the Lenten hunger lunches at their Church of England church. Did I sin, paying my entrance fee that went towards the funds of a heritical church?
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 29. November 2011, 22:09 Post #19 |
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If there is an Ordinariate group near you, you may be pleased to find out they have Evensong. I used to live Evensong at Lincoln Cathedral. |
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| Deleted User | Friday, 2. December 2011, 01:17 Post #20 |
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Heretical Patrick , really. Still using those old tired words? Still so sure of how God looks at things? Lucky you. I will go to Midnight Mass 6 miles away in my usual parish church, all being well. If the weather is impossible as it was last year I shall ask my neighbours to give me a shout and I will walk/stumble with them through the snow to Midnight Mass in their parish church down the road. If for any reason--eg the priest can't get there--that is cancelled then I'll go to whatever Christian Church is open that night or next day. I hesitate to speak for God but I'm taking a wild guess here and think He will be OK about it. And if I were to bet real money on it, I don't think he has probably heard the word heretical. John |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 2. December 2011, 02:06 Post #21 |
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I did that when I lived in Devon, for some reason we could not get to town to the Catholic church that Christmas, and my daughter in law, member of the Church of England wanted to attend Midnight Mass so we walked round the corner together to the village church. We both prayed, we both worshipped God. I am confident God was not mad with me for that. Pope John Paul II and the Archbishop of Canterbury prayed together. That was great considering the deep division there was in this country in my lifetime. |
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| Derekap | Friday, 2. December 2011, 13:55 Post #22 |
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When I was working in Hamburg for a brief period over the year end holidays somebody suggested we go to a carol concert in a church. It was a very protestant church, a completely stark dark stone building. All ideas of celebration were killed by very huge painted portraits of past leaders or pastors looking down on us with disgust and disdain. For Holy Midnight Mass in a Catholic Church, despite the fact I was wearing a thick jacket, thick scarfe, thick pullover and thick overcoat I felt in danger of dying from Hypothermia. When I eventually reached the Sanctuary for Holy Communion there was some warmth from the central heating and the celebrant was nearing the end of his second Holy Mass - Tridentine days when celebrants, on certain feast days could offer three Holy Masses even though there was no demand from the laity! (Probably the origin of two or three for the price of one!). |
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| Angus Toanimo | Friday, 2. December 2011, 20:13 Post #23 |
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John I'd rather be sure, in Communion with the Saints in Heaven, that heretical worship is indeed heretical and our attendance at such would be deeply displeasing to Our Lord rather than bet the salvation of my soul on God not having heard the word "heretical" (nonsense, of course) or thinking God will be OK with it. |
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| saundthorp | Friday, 2. December 2011, 22:05 Post #24 |
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Paul, You ask what is the problem with taking communion at a non-Catholic service. The answer is to be found in the Catholic Catechism. Para1400 "Ecclesial communities derived from the Reformation and separated from the Catholic Church, "have not preserved the proper reality of the Eucharistic mystery in its fullness, especially because of the absence of the sacrament of Holy Orders." It is for this reason that Eucharistic intercommunion with these communities is not possible for the Catholic Church. However these ecclesial communities, "when they commemorate the Lord's death and resurrection in the Holy Supper . . . profess that it signifies life in communion with Christ and await his coming in glory." |
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| Deleted User | Saturday, 3. December 2011, 00:24 Post #25 |
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Thanks Saundthorp. Make any sense to you? Gobbleydook to me I'm afraid John |
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| saundthorp | Saturday, 3. December 2011, 18:20 Post #26 |
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John, "Gobbleydook to me I'm afraid" I find that hard to believe, nevertheless I will go along with it. When Catholics receive communion we receive the actual Body and Blood of Christ. Non-Catholic communion is just bread and wine. Why would a Catholic, when they have the opportunity to have the actual Body and Blood of Christ himself, settle for anything less. There is another aspect which needs to be highlighted. When non-Catholics see a Catholic taking their communion it send the wrong message. It could mean to them that Catholics see no difference between their communion and our own. This would be totally wrong. There is very much a difference between the two forms of Eucharist as I'm sure you know. Yes, I'm aware we should show respect to our separated brethren but that should not extend to us denying the Real Presence, which is what it means for a Catholic to take a non-Catholic communion. Joint celebration of the Eucharist is the final aim of all ecumenical endeavours, but to anticipate the union without having established the reality of the Body and Blood of Christ in one Church and one faith is a form of dishonesty and causes a grave scandal. Edited by saundthorp, Saturday, 3. December 2011, 18:27.
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| garfield | Saturday, 3. December 2011, 18:50 Post #27 |
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I agree that we shouldn't take communion for the reasons you give there saundthorpe, however I don't see any reason why a Catholic shouldn't join in prayer with our separated brethren in their churches occasionally |
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| Emee | Saturday, 3. December 2011, 21:42 Post #28 |
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I completely agree with garfield. Meanwhile the provision for the Anglican Ordinariate means that people in the Church are working overtime to sort out the very issue to which saundthorp refers. I haven't yet been to an Ordinariate Mass, nor taken Holy Communion consecrated at such, but I hope to do so before too long... |
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| saundthorp | Saturday, 3. December 2011, 22:06 Post #29 |
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Garfield, I very much agree with you. I am involved in our local Churches Together group. In fact I'm their treasurer. We have a prayer group which meets in each others church on a monthly rotation. |
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| Gerard | Sunday, 4. December 2011, 10:08 Post #30 |
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For those Anglicans who believe that the bread becomes the body of our Lord, I believe it does. Gerry |
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