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Praying in churches of other denominations; Split from the Ordinariate topic
Topic Started: Monday, 28. November 2011, 14:28 (1,540 Views)
garfield

John Sweeney
Monday, 28. November 2011, 00:47
Although you have to be wary of people who join for anti-women reasons, this does mean that if winter closes in as it does last Christmas I can walk down to my local Anglican church for midnight Mass on Christmas Eve with my neighbours if the roads are impassable for cars. It's an ill wind!

John
If I was unable to get to Mass in those circumstances at Christmas I would go to the Methodists just about 100 yards from my house
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Sorry, I did not mean John may never go to an Anglican church, I was just trying to explain that what is advertised as Mass in a local Anglican church is a Church of England service with no connection to the Ordinariate, who are now out of the Church of England and in full communion with Rome.
Keep the Faith!

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garfield
Monday, 28. November 2011, 14:28
John Sweeney
Monday, 28. November 2011, 00:47
Although you have to be wary of people who join for anti-women reasons, this does mean that if winter closes in as it does last Christmas I can walk down to my local Anglican church for midnight Mass on Christmas Eve with my neighbours if the roads are impassable for cars. It's an ill wind!

John
If I was unable to get to Mass in those circumstances at Christmas I would go to the Methodists just about 100 yards from my house
Offending God by your attendance at a heretical and schismatic Church [ especially on Our Lord's birthday] is probably not the best of ideas. In that situation, it'd be far better to stay at home and make a Spiritual Communion.
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Anne-Marie

garfield
Monday, 28. November 2011, 14:28
If I was unable to get to Mass in those circumstances at Christmas I would go to the Methodists just about 100 yards from my house
Were I in the situation, I'd watch it on TV - terrestrial or EWTN.
It would never have even occurred to me (till I read what John and garfield wrote) to go elsewhere, Christian though other churches may be.
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Gerard

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Monday, 28. November 2011, 16:33
Offending God by your attendance at a heretical and schismatic Church [ especially on Our Lord's birthday] is probably not the best of ideas. In that situation, it'd be far better to stay at home and make a Spiritual Communion.
Quite the reverse.

If one could not physically get to ones own denomination it would please God that you went to the service of another denomination.

Gerry
Edited by Gerard, Monday, 28. November 2011, 19:36.
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Of course I would go to another Christian denomination if unable to attend a catholic mass. Surely we are talking about protectionism here by the catholic church.
I could sit through their service and pray to God as if I were in my own church. Should I take communion, well it is not consecrated, but representational, what's the problem?
Let all Christians unite which is what Our Lord would want. I find difficulty with separating the goats from the sheep.

Dominus vobiscum
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"Where two or three are gathered together in My Name there I will be."

Spoken by Our Lord Himself, whatever spin we try to put on "heresy" / "schisms" / "other denominations" etc...
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Gerard
Monday, 28. November 2011, 19:34
Patrick
Monday, 28. November 2011, 16:33
Offending God by your attendance at a heretical and schismatic Church [ especially on Our Lord's birthday] is probably not the best of ideas. In that situation, it'd be far better to stay at home and make a Spiritual Communion.
Quite the reverse.

If one could not physically get to ones own denomination it would please God that you went to the service of another denomination.

Gerry
I think that this would be more pleasing to Our Lord than participating in some heretical worship:

My Jesus,
I believe that You
are present in the Most Holy Sacrament.
I love You above all things,
and I desire to receive You into my soul.
Since I cannot at this moment
receive You sacramentally,
come at least spiritually into my heart. I embrace You as if You were already there and unite myself wholly to You. Never permit me to be separated from You.

Amen.


or:

As I cannot this day enjoy the happiness of assisting at the holy Mysteries, O my God! I transport myself in spirit at the foot of Thine altar; I unite with the Church, which by the hands of the priest, offers Thee Thine adorable Son in the Holy Sacrifice; I offer myself with Him, by Him, and in His Name. I adore, I praise, and thank Thee, imploring Thy mercy, invoking Thine assistance, and presenting Thee the homage I owe Thee as my Creator, the love due to Thee as my Saviour.

Apply to my soul, I beseech Thee, O merciful Jesus, Thine infinite merits; apply them also to those for whom I particularly wish to pray. I desire to communicate spiritually, that Thy Blood may purify, Thy Flesh strengthen, and Thy Spirit sanctify me. May I never forget that Thou, my divine Redeemer, hast died for me; may I die to all that is not Thee, that hereafter I may live eternally with Thee. Amen.
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paul
Monday, 28. November 2011, 20:19
Of course I would go to another Christian denomination if unable to attend a catholic mass. Surely we are talking about protectionism here by the catholic church.
I could sit through their service and pray to God as if I were in my own church. Should I take communion, well it is not consecrated, but representational, what's the problem?
Let all Christians unite which is what Our Lord would want. I find difficulty with separating the goats from the sheep.

Dominus vobiscum
Sitting with them through their service and praying to God as if you were in your own church, minus the validly ordained priest and the Real Presence...yeah I'm sure that'll please God - you may as well do that in the pub, Paul, and save yourself some possible extra time in Purgatory...
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Emee
Monday, 28. November 2011, 23:09
"Where two or three are gathered together in My Name there I will be."

Spoken by Our Lord Himself, whatever spin we try to put on "heresy" / "schisms" / "other denominations" etc...
Spoken by Our Lord Himself, but twisted and abused by a Pastoral [non-Dogmatic] Council with the authority of the Ordinary Magisterium [not guaranteed by the Holy Ghost to be free from error] hellbent on wiping everything from the Catholic Faith that was offensive to non-Catholics.

At this rate, there won't be two or three gathered in His Name, at least not in His own Church.
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Conversely Patrick,

does it please Our Lord also to treat the Second Vatican Council as if it never existed?

Actually no, don't even bother to answer that one.

I've asked the wrong person...
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Emee
Tuesday, 29. November 2011, 01:00
Conversely Patrick,

does it please Our Lord also to treat the Second Vatican Council as if it never existed?
It's impossible to treat the Council as if it never existed for not all of it is contrary to Catholic Tradition.
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paul

Patrick I was saddened to read your comments. Don't you think that an ecumenical outlook is important? One doesn't have to participate in a non-catholic ceremony but one is still in a house of God and he would be listening to you.

Are you really so hooked up on rules and regulations? Let your heart speak, which is what God wants.
As regards Purgatory well that is not for you to decide, however, I am sure my time would be longer than yours.

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Anne-Marie

paul
Tuesday, 29. November 2011, 14:55
One doesn't have to participate in a non-catholic ceremony but one is still in a house of God and he would be listening to you.
I was intrigued a while back by a friend visiting one of the many old churches on the Isle of Wight asking "Was this church built before the Reformation?" Carrying the implied question 'Is this really a Catholic church in which I can safely pray?'
Deep down, I guess I harbour the same prejudice, though I can and do talk to God wherever I am - much as I prefer to do so in His physical presence.

Emee was entirely right of course: Jesus DID say that He would be wherever two or three were gathered in His name - and whatever or wherever that may be, all Christians do indeed gather in HIS name, so He must be there by definition.
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Absolutely Anne-Marie. This is my understanding also.

The words did not just appear for the first time at the Second Vatican Council, so to even bring that into the equation is bogus. The words are much, much older, coming from Sacred Scripture, the inspired Word of God, 2,000 years ago.

Shouts of mis-interpretation are red herrings - the words are as plain as day...
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