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Did Jesus Die For Many Or For All?
Topic Started: Sunday, 29. October 2006, 14:17 (525 Views)
OsullivanB

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Sunday, 4. September 2011, 17:24
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Twin buoys - what a handful!
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Sunday, 4. September 2011, 17:41
i seen 36 pages and though thats too much to trawl lol.
If you are searching for the truth, is it not worth spending half an hour in initial study, by reading all the posts in this discussion? Somewhere on this thread you will find links to statements written by Popes. A lot of effort went into this discussion, I am confident you will find it informative and helpful.

You could also consult the Catechism or the shorter Compendium. Forum Reference Library has pinned links to both.

Seek and ye shall find.

When you tell us about what you have read, it would be helpful if you give us links to save us the trouble of doing an internet search for it.

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TBH i have settled the issue in my own head and have decided it's a how many angels on a pin question. There is no difference between both phrases from a theological position and any arguements made against one phraes can easily be turned on the other apart from that ALL sounds more Inclusive than MANY but when explored its sounds. I wouldn't have a row with the wife over whether the wall was painted Cream or Off white. I just find it amusing in a sad way that while so much energy is being put to this when the Church has real moral issues to focus on. My post re rosary prayer was just showing how comfortable the Church was in the past with both phrases even if recited in different places and in different languages.
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According to The Tablet the Pope has written to the head of The German Bishops Conference to change the text of Holy Mass to say that Christ died: 'for many' rather than: 'for all'. He had been told that the German-speaking Bishops are still divided on the issue.
Benedict said that when the Roman Missal was translated into German in the 1960s there was "exegetical consensus" that the word "many" was a Hebrew expression for an entirety. "This exegetical consensus ... no longer exists," he said.

I still ask: Why if the Church teaches that Christ was sent to redeem everyone do we not say so in the Words of Consecration during Holy Mass? Is he perhaps trying to get us to argue this question and hopes we shall overlook other matters?


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Saturday, 28. April 2012, 21:27
Benedict said that when the Roman Missal was translated into German in the 1960s there was "exegetical consensus" that the word "many" was a Hebrew expression for an entirety. "This exegetical consensus ... no longer exists," he said.

I still ask: Why if the Church teaches that Christ was sent to redeem everyone do we not say so in the Words of Consecration during Holy Mass? Is he perhaps trying to get us to argue this question and hopes we shall overlook other matters?
You could be right there, Derek and you fell for it!

I have a strong suspicion one of the Pope's special agents was ordered to set up an undercover operation to distract people on Catholic Cyberforum from discussing suspension of Irish priests and disciplining of American nuns. He scratched his bald head, stroked his grey beard, loosened his scarlet sash and muttered to his fellow agents "I've got it! I've got it! All we need is a statement from the Pope himself about "exegetical consensus". That will get them so excited it will dominate their minds until the Irish and American stuff has been forgotten. With a bit of luck they will discuss how to do revive a dead exegetical consensus. We will spread a rumour that the Kiss of Peace is effective as a Kiss of Life."
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sarcasm lives. Deo gratias
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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Robert I made that post in a silly giggly mood. It was not meant to be taken seriously.
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I bet at least half of the German-speaking Bishops don't know the meaning of: "exegetical consensus" (or its' German equivalent) is - let alone any of the German-speaking laity!!!!!!!!! I certainly don't!!!!!!! Is it anything to do with hermeneutical?
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