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| Was Jesus a Jew?; What did this word mean in the first century AD? | |
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| Topic Started: Tuesday, 23. August 2011, 00:25 (1,420 Views) | |
| The Searcher | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 01:32 Post #61 |
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Ned The Jews might disagree. according to what i have seen they see the Christian belief system as idolatry, and are more inclined to be able to identify with Islam with the idea of a monotheistic deity. The Searcher |
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| Ned | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 01:49 Post #62 |
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Hi Pete, The big thing Christians and Jews have in common is that we all worship the same God, that is the One True Living God - THE LORD - Adonai; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who brought us out of the Land of Egypt and out of the House of Bondage. The Vatican recognises this, and Catholic-Jewish dialogues are conducted by the Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews - and not by the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue which conducts discussions with the other non-Christian Faiths. The Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews is closely linked with the PCPCU(Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity). The Cardinal President of the PCPCU presides over this Commission also ; and similarly the Secretary of the PCPCU is its Vice-President. Regards Ned |
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| Ned | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 02:18 Post #63 |
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A good point, Searcher, though I do wonder where you're coming from. You're right when you say that Jews don't recognise the Trinity as Adonai. But you're absolutely wrong when you say that Jews "are more inclined to be able to identify with Islam with the idea of a monotheistic deity." That's absolute bosh. For any serious God-fearing Jew, as for us, It's THE LORD GOD or else it's no god at all. The only possible God is Adonai, THE LORD. For both Jews and Christians the worship of some supposed Supreme Being who is not Adonai is idolatry, pure and simple. Regards Ned |
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| The Searcher | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 02:51 Post #64 |
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Ned I am not trying to be controversial and I believe what I have said is true because I have researched it. http://whatjewsbelieve.org/explanation10.html Regardless of high level ecclesiastical discussions about the close relationship which the catholic church has to Judaism, modern Jews see the Catholiic Church especially as idolatrous. The Jewish people use the TORAH as its central altar of worship, various books like psalms and Daniel are considered as no more than writings, as far as the Jewish texts are concerned Christianity has accepted the hebrew text in a parent and child relationship, Islam has not accepted these texts in the same way their view is a bastardised version of scripture. To get back on track I have stated that Jesus also had misgivings about Judaism and he convinced many people to follow his understanding of Judaism, which we call Christianity. Therefore are we in a period of history where Ezekiel is relevant, if that is so the whole world is due to become Jewish when Christ makes his second coming, because the centre of the religious world will be Jerusalem, as you know Christ's promise to his followers was that they would sit in judgement on the 12 thrones, in judgement on the whole house of Israel. Therefore a division is created in the time (allowed for the gentiles) where a supernatural faith in the kingdom supplants a non supernatural faith (i.e sadducees) based upon the law. Its nothing new The Searcher |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 09:22 Post #65 |
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No. On many levels, no. Gerry |
| "The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998). | |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 09:49 Post #66 |
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Faith in the Kingdom precedes the Law. Before the Law there was the faith of Abraham and the promises made to him. The Law was added later. These were the things Paul had to contemplate after his Damascus experience and before his preaching/teaching. Gerry |
| "The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998). | |
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| The Searcher | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 11:13 Post #67 |
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Gerard You are not making sense, make sense The Searcher |
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| The Searcher | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 11:16 Post #68 |
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Please elaborate The Kingdom prior to Christ is an earthly Kingdom From Shem (Semitic) Royal through Isaac , David, but not of this world with Christ. The Searcher Edited by The Searcher, Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 13:51.
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 13:17 Post #69 |
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Though the use of the word is problematic, as said previously, Jesus did not have misgivings about Judaiism. Salvation comes from the Jews. Ezekiel is still relevant. At the second coming everyone will not become Jews. I cannot elaborate on that without your explaining why you think everyone will. Gerry |
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| The Searcher | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 13:28 Post #70 |
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Gerard
You mean you haven't read my posts The Searcher |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 13:46 Post #71 |
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I did not read your explanation of why everyone becomes a Jew at the second coming. Please direct me to it. Gerry |
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| The Searcher | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 14:12 Post #72 |
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Gerard Because the Day of the Gentiles will be over at Christs second coming, and God has prophesied that he will establish the Jews (not for their righteousness but for HIS own righteousness, then he will gather unto him all the lost of the twelve tribes of Israel wherever they are in time or place. Not only will he gather the remnant he will allow the indiginous population in ISRAEL to convert to ISRAEL and to be given a share in the land, as much as any Jew would be entitled clan by clan, tribe by tribe. (source Ezekiel) But this is sidetracking the discussion if we have people worried by the genuine definition of a Jew being from Galilee or from Judea, when as i pointed out Jews from Galilee were deported into Judea, by Antiochus Epiphanies, Jews from Jerusalem were transported into Babylon and dispersed throughout the world. Why is it not possible to be a Jew (even if you are not a Jew) from East Anglia. Lets face it the Muslims are pinning their hopes on being the lawful authorities in Israel at christ's second coming and many (if not all) Christians want to be at least spiritually a Jew in his relationship to Christ, it looks like Ezekiels prophesy is happening anyway. Christians who are left behind at this event have nothing exceptional to boast about because "Everyone will KNOW that I am the Lord" the ones that have ascended to the next world will be witnesses of this world, and I think also capable of "Judgement" which is what Christ promised his disciples "that they would sit on the 12 thrones and judge the 12 tribes of Israel" Enough help Gerry The Searcher |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 14:22 Post #73 |
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I prefer the catholic interpretations. Gerry |
| "The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998). | |
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| The Searcher | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 16:09 Post #74 |
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Sadducees became a respectable group within Judaism they reject Miracles, Angels, for the most part they would seem to be the secular society of their day, outside of their Temple worship.
If Paul had been speaking to a Roman audience would he not have said something like ; circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law a follower of Jesus Christ? The Searcher Edited by The Searcher, Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 16:15.
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 17:07 Post #75 |
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Where do you get this stuff, Searcher? The Sadducees were as religious as any at that time and seem to have been a priestly sect. They accepted the 5 Books of Moses. Now the Books of Moses are full of miracles so they must have accepted these things. What they rejected was an after life or resurrection from the dead. Gerry Edited by Gerard, Tuesday, 18. October 2011, 17:25.
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