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Was Jesus a Jew?; What did this word mean in the first century AD?
Topic Started: Tuesday, 23. August 2011, 00:25 (1,422 Views)
OsullivanB

Galatians 3:28
 
There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither slave nor freeman, there can be neither male nor female - for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Anne-Marie

OsullivanB
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 14:45
Galatians 3:28
 
There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither slave nor freeman, there can be neither male nor female - for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Which surely doesn't make you any more a Jew than a Liberal Democrat???
Anne-Marie
FIAT VOLUNTAS DEI
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Ned

For example -

Jesus said, "The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it."
Edited by Ned, Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 15:44.
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Ned

OsullivanB
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 14:45
Galatians 3:28
 
There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither slave nor freeman, there can be neither male nor female - for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
The righteous shall live by faith.

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, 'The righteous shall live by faith'" - Saint Paul's letter to the Romans, chapter 1, chapter16, esv.
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Ned

We have to read the Bible as a whole. Here I'm thinking of the Acts of the Apostles, and the letters of the New Testament, particularly what Saint Paul says, at some length, in his letter to the Romans.

For instance here are two verses, 11 and 12, from chapter 11, "So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!"
Edited by Ned, Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 15:34.
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Ned

Ned
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 15:32
We have to read the Bible as a whole.


May I remind you again please of the Abramic covenant.

"Now the Lord said to Abram, 'Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.'"Genesis 12:1-3 esv


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Edited by Ned, Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 15:40.
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pete

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"Now the Lord said to Abram, 'Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.'"Genesis 12:1-3 esv

Ned, when I read such scripture I ask myself is it still applicable today, considering that the one and same God teaches perfect-love. Would God have changed sides and bestowed his blessings on Christians and cursed the Jews for rejecting the Word (Jesus Christ)? I find it difficult that God would curse any of His Creation especially as we are made in His Own Image and Likeness.
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Ned

pete
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 16:50
Would God have changed sides and bestowed his blessings on Christians and cursed the Jews for rejecting the Word (Jesus Christ)? I find it difficult that God would curse any of His Creation especially as we are made in His Own Image and Likeness.
Hi Pete,

Please read through the letter to the Romans - it's one of the central themes there.

Chapter 1, verse 16 - "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."

Chapter 2 verse 29 - "But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God."

Chapter 3 verses 1 and 2 -"Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God."

Chapter 4 verse 1 - "What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh?"

Chapter 7 verse 1 - "Or do you not know, brothers - for I am speaking to those who know the law - that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives?"

Chapter 9 verse2 to 5 - "that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." and so on, all through chapters 9, 10 and 11.

- and so on.

Regards

Ned

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In Saint Matthew's Gospel Jesus was addressed as Son of David eleven times. Was not David a Jew? If so, Jesus who was descended from him and worshipped in the same manner as David, must have been a Jew by race and religion.
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Ned
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 12:10
Mairtin
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 08:28
paul
Tuesday, 23. August 2011, 16:06
of course Jesus was a Jew, he even taught as a twelve year old child in a Jewish synagogue. What I find difficult is that God said the Jews were the chosen people.
Should I become a Jew?
You already are a Jew.
Why do you say that?
Notwithstanding Deacon Robert's points, the man who founded our religion was born a Jew and died a Jew and He specifically said that He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it - we are fulfilled Jews.

Pope Benedict made that very point a while back and caused a bit of a furore as far as I remember.
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OsullivanB

How about Paul's points?
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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OsullivanB
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 19:40
How about Paul's points?
" ... for you are all one in Christ Jesus"

QED
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OsullivanB

Post # 31 "neither Jew nor Greek" etc.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Ned

Mairtin
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 19:13
... Pope Benedict made that very point a while back and caused a bit of a furore as far as I remember.
No, Mairtin, what the Pope said was something else, but we better not follow that - we're off in at least two directions as it is.

Regards

Ned
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Ned

Mairtin
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 20:06
OsullivanB
Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 19:40
How about Paul's points?
" ... for you are all one in Christ Jesus"

QED
Hullo Mairtin,

I presume you're referring to Galatians, chapter 3, verses 28,29 -

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

If so you have totally misunderstood what Paul is saying. The whole theme of the Letter to the Galatians is that salvation comes by Faith in Christ, and we should not even try to be Jewish.

For example - Chapter 3, verse 14 "so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith."

Regards

Ned
Edited by Ned, Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 22:28.
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