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Military Ordinariate
Topic Started: Thursday, 30. June 2011, 17:29 (422 Views)
Rose of York
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Nowadays, what do our military chaplains do? Do they run diocesan parishes in addition to the churches on the bases? Is the chaplain parish priest to the service personnel on the base? How many military chaplains do we have in the UK? Is the chaplain answerable in any way to the Commanding Officer, or only to the Bishop to the Forces?

Now for the big question:

Is a chaplain permitted to carry a handgun, to defend himself if in danger when a unit is in action?
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http://www.catholicchurch.org.uk/forces


http://www.rcbishopricforces.org.uk/

http://www.ukpriest.org/beingapriest_specialistmilitary.htm
Edited by Penfold, Thursday, 30. June 2011, 18:43.
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http://www.ukpriest.org/beingapriest_specialistmilitary.htm
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In an Operational Environment – for instance when the Armed Forces deploy abroad (eg. Iraq or Afghanistan) – the Military Chaplain goes too. Although he never carries a weapon, the Chaplain ministers to, and supports those who do. This is a huge privilege and opportunity to be Christ to those who are expected to put themselves in harm’s way for the sake of their country. Celebrating Holy Mass, hearing confessions, anointing the sick and dying or just being a listening ear to the troubled is all part of the chaplain’s role on Operations.
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I take it the Bishop to the Forces, with Moth for a surname, has a special relationship with those who fly.
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Rose of York
Thursday, 30. June 2011, 20:11
I take it the Bishop to the Forces, with Moth for a surname, has a special relationship with those who fly.
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We have not worked out yet whether he's a gypsy or a tiger.


However to be serious, Under UK Law military chaplais do not carry weapons but the geneva convention permits a chaplain the same right to self defence as anyone else so some countries do allow their chaplains to carry a sidearm if they wish. The RC chaplains are not permited to carry side arms under church law.
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Thank you Penfold. I was waiting for you to sort out what are very sensative issues and probably covered by "official secrets protocall" We also deploy with our troops. Here we have some chaplains assigned to bases, they remain there and are PP for those on base and their families. There are also chaplains who deploy with the troops to the field. They may be Diocesan Priests and Pastors who are given LOA for the deployment (we have 2 in my Diocese).

I have to add, there are many Priests, ministers, Rabbis, and Imams who have given their lives in support of all of our military. It is a shame that they rarley get any recognition for their sacrifice
Edited by Deacon Robert, Thursday, 30. June 2011, 20:39.
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Thursday, 30. June 2011, 20:18
Rose of York
Thursday, 30. June 2011, 20:11
I take it the Bishop to the Forces, with Moth for a surname, has a special relationship with those who fly.
We have not worked out yet whether he's a gypsy or a tiger.
Mgr.Moth, as he then was, was the priest in charge of my parish for several months a few years back, following the rapid departure of three parish priests in succession - Mgr.Moth was also the archdiocesan vicar general at the time.
We got to know him very well and we all loved him - he is (or was!) a really lovely guy.
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Deacon Robert
Thursday, 30. June 2011, 20:35
Thank you Penfold. I was waiting for you to sort out what are very sensative issues and probably covered by "official secrets protocall" We also deploy with our troops. Here we have some chaplains assigned to bases, they remain there and are PP for those on base and their families. There are also chaplains who deploy with the troops to the field. They may be Diocesan Priests and Pastors who are given LOA for the deployment (we have 2 in my Diocese).

I have to add, there are many Priests, ministers, Rabbis, and Imams who have given their lives in support of all of our military. It is a shame that they rarley get any recognition for their sacrifice
Does anybody know of a memorial to military chaplains?
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I believe that I recently posted elsewhere that in the Military parade Day last week in Edinburgh,I did not witness a single padre during the parade.
A sadness ther.
The only minister I recognised was the Lord Provost of Edinburgh,who is an ordained Church of Scotland minister.
When at a meeting in Church House,Lubecke,north Germany I was once told that no we do not carry arms.
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Alas in the UK and Europe none that I am aware of dedicated to chaplains in general, some individual chaplains have memorials but for most the only recognition is in the Armed Forces Chaplains Centre at Amport House in Hampshire, this is not open to the general public.
I shall try and locate a few references to some of the individual ones.

(Our US cousins do have some memorials in Normandy and Italy that I have seen and one to the chaplains they lost in 1918)

In the garrison in Kabul there is a memorial to Reverend James Williams Adams VC.

Four Chaplains have received the VC although the the chaplain at Rorkes drift George Smith was offered one he chose to accepted a commission in the newly formed Royal Army Chaplains Department instead. Many DSOs and MCs have been awarded to chaplains. If people are interested I shall try and dig out a few more details. This is quite interesting,
http://www.army.mod.uk/chaplains%5Chistory%5Cdefault.aspx
Edited by Penfold, Saturday, 2. July 2011, 11:59.
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We should have a memorial to the Chaplains in either Walsingham or Westminster Cathedral, to the chaplains. Better still I would like to have one erected to chaplains of all faiths. It would be a privilege to make a donation.

A request for Father Penfold:

Please will you suggest this to Bishop Moth?

I suppose each chaplain who gave his life is named on the memorial of his town, but these men are a special case, they volunteered and went into the battle lines unarmed.
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Saturday, 2. July 2011, 13:16
I suppose each chaplain who gave his life is named on the memorial of his town, but these men are a special case, they volunteered and went into the battle lines unarmed.
Sadly not necessarily for in England ones name was only placed on the town or village memorial if one was registers in the parish thus many Catholics and Free Church soldiers and those of other faiths are conspicuous by their absence from many WW1 memorials, some villages have amended theirs, hence there is often and additional plaque placed on them or a few additional names engraved out of sequence.
Thankfully this ‘mistake’ was not made after WWII and did not occur elsewhere in the UK. Ironically Northern Ireland was punctilious in ensuring all persons were included regardless of religious affiliation and I have a picture of the Cardinal and several distinguished RC Clerics at the unveiling of the Memorial in Portadown along with the Protestant clergy, local councillors and a host of townsfolk. (I can't scan it in for my scanner is U/S)
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I thought this might be of interest:

http://www.spiritdaily.com/robinsonvilletwopriests.htm
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