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| Topic Started: Friday, 10. June 2011, 17:51 (2,023 Views) | |
| Poesy | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 19:00 Post #31 |
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Here is one of many, many articles that are freely available as resource material for you to look at. http://www.rense.com/general56/dep.htm The evidence for allied atrocities in Iraq is overwhelming. On 9th June the Independent reported that Blair is calling for further interventions in the Middle East including Iran. Far from holding these people to account the new world order wishes to accelerate the pace. Look at the comments section of the Independent on line for some interesting reflections on the modern day doctor goebbels. Saint Augustine said i have met many who wish to be deceive none who wished to be deceived. Why do we wish to be deceived? Edited by Poesy, Saturday, 11. June 2011, 19:03.
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| Angus Toanimo | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 19:32 Post #32 |
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"UK forces used about 1.9 metric tons of depleted uranium ammunition in the Iraq war in 2003" - UK Defense Secretary Liam Fox. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 19:35 Post #33 |
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Poesy that is hardly professional journalism, it is propaganda, no more than some of the websites that promote alleged apparitions stated by the Vatican to be false. That one promotes the Most Holy Family which is not in Communion with the Catholic Church and would be considered by SSPX adherents to be extremist and bonkers. I suggest that you take a look at Home Pages and seek out an About Us tab, before taking any site to be authoritative. |
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| Angus Toanimo | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 19:38 Post #34 |
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I couldn't care less what they wear on their heads, Mairtin. |
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| Poesy | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 19:51 Post #35 |
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Rose, this is only a flavour of some of the more general statements about depleted uranium use in Iraq. If we want to go into a detailed academic discussion and into the scientific literature and the epidemiological studies, we can do so, and I can give you the links, but I am just keeping it very general for the purpose of discussion here. On a slightly different point, what I wasn't aware of until quite recently, was that there has been a whole slew of Russian scientific studies carried out, which have just been published by a New York medical centre on the effects of the Chernobyl fallout. Contrary to what I always thought, the studies have established that there have been more than a million people killed as a direct result of the Chernobyl disaster, I always thought it had been a couple of hundred and has established that large parts of western Europe, including the UK, are still contaminated and has gone directly into our food supply. Just saying. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 19:52 Post #36 |
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Patrick may we have a link to your source, please? I did a search for that sentence and got some sites, but none of them were newspapers or broadcasting stations. One claimed Liam Fox said to Parliament on 22 July 2010. All I can find on Hansard for Liam Fox that day is http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm100722/wmstext/100722m0001.htm
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| Angus Toanimo | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 20:02 Post #37 |
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http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2010/08/pilger-blair-iraq-britain Thank you Patrick. My google search did not come up with the New Statesman report because it shows defence spelt with a c not an s as in your quote. Can you find "metric tons of depleted uranium" on any .gov.uk sites? I could not. [EDIT] Looks like you added your post to mine as an edit Rose, rather than quoting it....
Edited by Angus Toanimo, Sunday, 12. June 2011, 11:13.
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 20:07 Post #38 |
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Poesy I have no wish to go into a detailed academic discussion and into the scientific literature and the epidemiological studies, but I do not see the point in making sweeping claims that cannot be substantiated by reference to websites published by people who offer no evidence for their claims. I could set up a website to write what I please, but the one you quoted is not exactly a professional news site, it carries some nasty material about our Sister Lucia of Fatima and claims that Benedict XVI, John Paul II, John Paul I, Paul VI, and John XIII are heretics and Antipopes of the Vatican II Counter Church. We do not permit links to such sites when when they claim to be Catholic and do not have the approval of the current Holy Father. Holy Family Monastery comes into that category. |
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| Angus Toanimo | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 20:09 Post #39 |
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In Poesy's defence, she did only link to an article on a website named rense.com amd when I checked the site, I found no mention of Most Holy Family Monastery. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 20:18 Post #40 |
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The only way to check the credibility of any website is to look at the Home Page and do some browsing. The second link down from the top is obviously about the Catholic Church so I had a shufti. |
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| Poesy | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 20:27 Post #41 |
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Thank you Patrick for your link. With my link, I did not see any reference to The Most Holy Family Monastery either, nor any of the bad materials that Rose saw. However, if people are bothered to know what is going on,they are free to to their own research. Edited by Poesy, Saturday, 11. June 2011, 20:30.
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| Angus Toanimo | Saturday, 11. June 2011, 20:33 Post #42 |
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Yes, I see it now. However it is a rotational banner - paid advertising by the Dimond brothers. I very much doubt rense.com has any interest whatsoever in the content of their site. Disclaimer: The posting of stories, commentaries, reports, documents and links (embedded or otherwise) on this site does not in any way, shape or form, implied or otherwise, necessarily express or suggest endorsement or support of any of such posted material or parts therein. |
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 12. June 2011, 12:17 Post #43 |
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Libya has a very good health service. Indeed it is rather a good welfare state. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_LibyaA friend of mine worked in Libya for some years and returned full of admiration for Gadhaffi's achievements in these respects. So I believe the wiki article. I don't know about care homes. I suspect that the culture is one in which old people are revered and cared for by their extended families. Lack of religious freedom is, of course, an issue. but one which is common to many countires, and was for almost all its history not a notable feature of the Catholic Church. The major charge against Gaddafi is his promotion of international terrorism, notably the IRA and the Lockerbie disaster. But doubtless some will see his support for the IRA as championing freedom. |
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| Angus Toanimo | Sunday, 12. June 2011, 17:29 Post #44 |
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Contact with the Libyan government started in the early 70s, when the IRA bought arms and ammunition from Gaddafi, although some shipments were intercepted. Then when the UK aided the US in bombing Tripoli, Gadaffi contacted the IRA and more shipments followed. It was around this time that the PIRA began receiving tonnes of Semtex from the Libyans, although Semtex was never used as a primary explosive. Whilst Gadaffi "sympathised" with the Provos, he had his own reasons for arming them. |
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| trying hard | Monday, 13. June 2011, 22:49 Post #45 |
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This is a clear case of damned if you do damned if you dont; but you only have to look at the makeup of the entourage Cameroon took to egypt when the dust was settling there to understand cameroons morality in all this. As far as the Arch bishops statement it was unwise as far as I.m concerned as what exactly was to be gained from it? |
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