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| Ned | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 01:31 Post #121 |
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" ...I don't see how the Jews find it offensive ... " Richard J. Sklba, Assistant Archbishop of Milwaukee (“Covenant Renewed: Josef Ratzinger” - Institute for Theological Inquiry - http://www.yale.edu/faith/jewishchristianconference/documents/Richard_Sklba.pdf - Page 28) - " ... in view of the many centuries of painful and tear-stained relationships which included forced conversions when Church and state were allied, and in view of the countless violent pogroms against those who resisted and refused to be assimilated into Christianity, ancient or medieval. " Edited by Ned, Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 01:32.
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| Angus Toanimo | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 02:12 Post #122 |
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I wonder if the Jewish curse on the followers of The Nazarene has been lifted from Jewish prayers? |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 02:12 Post #123 |
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If you want honesty Ned here it is from World War Chief Rabbi of Rome Honors Pope Pius XII |
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| Ned | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 02:25 Post #124 |
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World War 2, and the way Hitler was let get away with things before that, and the way that the Western World let so many things happen in the 1920's and the 1930's - All of it does reflect very badly on all the 'powers' and 'centres of importance' from 1920 onward. That includes the Churches, and also the US Jewish organisations. Edited by Ned, Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 02:26.
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| Penfold | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 06:28 Post #125 |
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http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html This encyclical confirms the stance that was being taken by the church against Nazi Germany (Though signed by Pius XI he gave credit to Cardinal Pacelli (the future Pope Pius XII). |
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| Derekap | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 12:49 Post #126 |
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Because of Germany's defeat of WW1, the Western Allies' zeal to have reparations etc and the world's financial slump, Germany had many problems and governments along with rampant inflation. People were paid and spent millions of marks, increasingly so every midday. Along came a charismatic figure (Hitler) who inspired the pride of the nation and fed on the envy of Jewish success in business and finance. The party rallies, the fervent singing of: 'Deutschland über Alles' and: 'Die Fahnen Höh' were no doubt exceedingly impressive. I think if I had been German and a little older I too would have been a supporter. It was only when they developed control and the Gestapo it was too late to do anything drastic. We can easily look back and criticise what happened after the event. The Nazi party seemed to spring-up in Catholic areas and the leader from a Catholic Country. Was the local Church distracted by the validity or suitability of Roman or Gothic Chasubles or the depth of lace on Albs and Cottas or some comparitively trivial problems or was it also inspired by the new-found pride of the nation? |
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| OsullivanB | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 16:51 Post #127 |
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Did no-one read Mein Kampf? |
| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| Penfold | Tuesday, 11. September 2012, 18:15 Post #128 |
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I suspect that as with Das capital it sits on many book-shelves in pristine condition, unopened and gathering dust. Had it been read people would have been in know doubt as to Hitler's intentions to the Jews and many others. This will take us of thread, again, but it does raise the problem of when and how should the church intervene in National and Local Politics. For me the answer is simple, we should always be involved and it is the duty of every Catholic to be involved. However that is a debate for another thread perhaps. I have read it and do not recommend it, it is the ramblings of a deranged mind, the problem is that in 1924 that is probably the same conclusion that many good people came to and so did not finish reading it or did not take it seriously. How do you hide a pea, amongst a bowl of peas. Hitler was just one of many disenchanted and disaffected voices being raised in the 20s around the world, by the time he forced his way to power and demonstrated that he was serious many people were genuinely taken by surprise. How many books are in print today that give a blow by blow account of the authors deranged intentions. Today I took part in a commemoration ceremony for the victims of 9/11. When it happened people were surprised but with hindsight the warnings were there to be seen, though sadly not recognised. In an insane world how do you spot a mad man? Hitler was one of many peas. and form this I conclude that we should all take heed of the reading in tonight's night prayer
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