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| Pope Benedict: Jews not to blame for death of Jesus | |
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| Topic Started: Saturday, 5. March 2011, 23:34 (1,502 Views) | |
| Clare | Tuesday, 8. March 2011, 23:22 Post #16 |
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So anti-semitism is a nonsense term. QED. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 8. March 2011, 23:36 Post #17 |
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It is no more a nonsense term than anti-Catholic, anti-Irish, anti-muslim, anti-Pakistani, anti-smokers, anti-drinkers, anti-any group of people who have something in common. If there had been no anti-semitism, Jews would not have been persecuted for being Jews. |
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| Anne-Marie | Wednesday, 9. March 2011, 00:04 Post #18 |
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Comfort in ignorance is a wonderful thing to behold, Clare. And you are quite right to notice the absurdity of attacking Jews on the basis they are the same racial group as many Arabs! Were it not for the tragedy of its expression, it would almost be hilarious! |
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| Deacon Robert | Wednesday, 9. March 2011, 00:43 Post #19 |
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I don't know, but I must be getting stupid in may old age. Please tell me how many races there are? I thought there were 5 |
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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne | |
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| pat | Wednesday, 9. March 2011, 00:44 Post #20 |
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I thought there was only one. |
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| KatyA | Wednesday, 9. March 2011, 00:48 Post #21 |
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No,Deacon Robert is right. The running events are categorised as sprints, middle and long-distance events, relays, and hurdling, that makes 5. I don't think the egg and spoon race counts |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 9. March 2011, 00:54 Post #22 |
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Whether or not Jews are of the same race as Arabs, the Jews were persecuted for, reputedly, being responsible for the death of Christ on the Cross. That is what Pope Benedict wrote about.
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 9. March 2011, 13:54 Post #23 |
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It never ceases to fascinate me how it always seems that the more bigoted a person is, the more obtuse the arguments they produce to show they aren't "really" bigoted. |
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| Ned | Friday, 11. March 2011, 00:42 Post #24 |
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Rose, I agree with you totally. A massive amount of anti-semitism is down to ignorance, and then the exploitation of the ignorant by rabble-rousers. Of course it is the Jews are always victims of anti-semitism, and have suffered greatly because of it, but the first victims of those lies are those gullible Christians who are taken in by it. There is a long history of European culture promoting anti-semitism, and it's often happened under the guise of religiosity. There were the Mystery Plays and the rest - The Merchant of Venice, The Jew of Malta etc. If you've ever read the Passion narrative in Piers Plowman, from the pseudo- apocryphal 'gospel of Nicodemus', then you'll remember the curse on the Jews that never again would they prosper, never again own land. Anti-semitism is not uncommon in medieval devotional literature, and the similar pious twaddle is still being circulated today. |
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| Deacon Robert | Friday, 11. March 2011, 01:18 Post #25 |
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Initially, scholars focused on cataloguing and describing "The Natural Varieties of Mankind," as Johann Friedrich Blumenbach entitled his 1775 text (which established the five major divisions of humans still reflected in some racial classifications, i.e., the Caucasoid race, Mongoloid race, Ethiopian race (later termed the Negroid race), American Indian race, and Malayan race). From the 17th through the 19th centuries, the merging of folk beliefs about group differences with scientific explanations of those differences produced what one scholar has called an "ideology of race".[30] According to this ideology, races are primordial, natural, enduring and distinct And so, now there are many subsets of 5 races. To ascribe a subset due to religious or national origen if pure fantasy |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 11. March 2011, 01:36 Post #26 |
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Was the main cause of anti semitism their migration to other countries where people did not like being taken by surprise, witnessing a culture and religion that differed from their own? Similar prejudice is aimed, now, at muslims. There is no shortage of people who believe all muslims live solely off state benefits, and many who normally mock religion bleat "Mosques should not be allowed, this is supposed to be a Christian country." If they knew the first thing about Christianity they would know Christ was not selective about the race or religion of neighbours whom we should love. |
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| OsullivanB | Friday, 11. March 2011, 01:42 Post #27 |
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This falls into the common error of confusing derivation with current meaning. |
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| Derekap | Friday, 11. March 2011, 09:57 Post #28 |
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There is another factor which causes envy and thus prejudice. A handful of Jews arrived in Leeds about 100 years ago and they settled in Lower Briggate. More Jews on their way from Russia via Hull and Liverpool to the USA were persuaded to detrain in Leeds. The community took over the district known as Chapeltown and after the WW2 moved to Alwoodly, Leeds 17. Like the Chinese and Italian Immigrants the whole family worked hard and all hours. And they have become prosperous. Before WW2 York market on Saturdays(!) had a row of Jews selling women's clothes etc. Now it is the Asians. |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 31. August 2012, 20:44 Post #29 |
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http://www.thetablet.co.uk/latest-news/4501
On the one hand Cardinal Kock says Anti-Semitic tendencies in the Church persist "not only among traditionalists but also among liberal theologians." On the other he says The Vaticanis now on "very friendly terms indeed" with Jewish organisations. I cannot recall ever encountering anti-semitism in any parish, experienced it being encouraged, or known an anti-Semitic Catholic. The Cardinal says it persists not only among traditionalists but also among liberal theologians, and claims the Vatican is getting along fine with Jewish organisations. My conclusion is, it is not rife in the Church (meaning the vast majority of laity, parish clergy, and members of religious congregations.) Theologians and the Vaticanis are not the Church, they are members of it just as the rest of us are. The Church as a whole cannot be judged by their attitudes. |
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| Penfold | Friday, 31. August 2012, 21:20 Post #30 |
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http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/uploads/documents/1b9d0958f7a896c256df857dd820fc7aecc4258e.pdf http://ejournals.bc.edu/ojs/index.php/scjr/article/view/2072/1766 Edited by Penfold, Friday, 31. August 2012, 21:23.
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