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| Suitable ecclesiastical dress | |
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| Topic Started: Thursday, 10. February 2011, 21:50 (1,990 Views) | |
| Ned | Sunday, 22. May 2011, 13:10 Post #76 |
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If you'd like to see the style of formal 'off-altar' dress that bishops wore pre-VII then here's part of a talk - on the topic of "False Compassion" - that Archbishop Fulton Sheen gave in 1965, when he was a bishop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7pKqfhWeo&NR=1 (For those of the old brigade, who don't mind listening to a 20-minute lecture, the full talk is in three sections with the first part at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXQP3UJnagM&feature=related ) Archbishop Sheen was one of the first TV-evangelists, and he tells it like it is, or at least as he sees it. I'd have to disagree with a lot of what he seems to be saying. Edited by Ned, Sunday, 22. May 2011, 13:14.
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| Rose of York | Monday, 2. January 2012, 21:48 Post #77 |
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What did the apostles, the first bishops, wear? What did Saint Peter, the first Pope, wear? |
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| OsullivanB | Monday, 2. January 2012, 22:04 Post #78 |
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Since there hadn't been time for much to change I suspect it was OT couture. |
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| Deacon Robert | Monday, 2. January 2012, 22:26 Post #79 |
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| Mairtin | Monday, 2. January 2012, 23:03 Post #80 |
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Which gradually became OTT couture |
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| Home in Rome | Tuesday, 3. January 2012, 03:17 Post #81 |
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History of ecclesiastical dress/garb is an interesting one. Perhaps for the first 300 years or so until Christianity became first a licit religion and then the official religion of the Roman Empire, there was no distinct dress as such - clergy just wore ordinary civic clothes of that time. Not that distinct clerical garb didn't exist in pagan or Jewish religions, but it was neither appropriate nor advisable for the clergy to be dinstinguished by their dress in times of persecution (e.g. English Recusancy). Thereafter, the clergy just continued to wear Roman civic outdoor dress long after it became unfashionable and abandoned by the general population. Many items of liturgical dress have their origin in Roman civic clothing, such as casula - poncho-like outdoor travelling garment - which became the chasuble. Or the long linen tunic that became the alb. Some have attributed stoles to scarfs worn by Roman orators as sign of their authority. As for clerical everyday dress, the cassock is also derived from Roman tunic. Clerical collar is much more recent origin, around 1800, derived from white cravat commonly worn by clergy (but also by others) in the preceding 100 years or so. Styles and colours of clerical dress have come to denote ranks of clergy and special honours bestowed on them, such as purple for bishops and monsignori, white for popes, red for cardinals and black for other clergy. In the CofE, red is commonly worn by Queen's Chaplains and clergy of Royal Peculiars like Westminster Abbey and St George's Chapel Windsor. Edited by Home in Rome, Tuesday, 3. January 2012, 03:37.
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 3. January 2012, 08:15 Post #82 |
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And then again, maybe Matthew 23:5 had some influence on them.
Ah, sure what would some ill dressed Jewish rabbi know about the importance of the correct couture ... |
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| CARLO | Tuesday, 3. January 2012, 19:43 Post #83 |
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Yes wonderful stuff Rome Bound! Thanks for these details! Pax CARLO Edited by CARLO, Tuesday, 3. January 2012, 19:43.
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