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| Topic Started: Monday, 29. November 2010, 19:34 (1,192 Views) | |
| Colin2000 | Tuesday, 7. December 2010, 02:46 Post #61 |
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Hi All, I arrived long ago at these conclusions, 1. The Old Testament Law/Torah is as much the same truth today as it was in Jesus' time and pre/before His First Coming at The Cross! 2. The Punishments in Torah, however, are not all carried out as per the maximum punishments of Torah today, that element of mercy! 3. Forgiven, as with the woman caught in adultery/about to be stoned when challenged by Jesus was not forgiven at the beginning of His conversation with her but when He confirmed, (What He already knew of course, before He asked the question!), have they all left you, no one innocent enough to stone you to death today? His answer was, was it not words to the effect, "Well I do not wish to stone you either, go away and don't do it again!" No punishment for His Disciples in the corn field on a Sabbath day when they did work by grinding the corn in the fingers/hands too. No punishment when He healed somebody in Church either on a Sunday! Old testament Law cited here too, David went into the Temple Precinct and they ate the food set aside for the priests did they not! The Law in Torah stands today as when God the Father Breathed it, but may be not the punishment. One thing can be concluded from this, however, "The Law of Torah before and after Jesus still stands even if it does not mean those who broke it are/is singhed immediately after discovery by The Lord!" The Ten Commandments still stand, Jesus has not come to nullify The Law of Torah! But I find I can not hate my neighbour because I have found that my best friend has been a naughty boy even if I feel it my duty to hate him, much more satisfactory than loving him! Yours in Christ, Colin. PS. Part of my Comb. Hon's. in my local university was the Study of Principles and Practice of Religion, and I am sure that the members of that Faculty of Religion have regretted it ever since! Quite right Rose, no good reading books without direction but this one is mine as a pure Prody. with Anglo-catholic leanings/near Puritan! I am supposed to trust only in the BOOK and not Tradition and Reason of men! But once or twice on or near the mountain top experience I have been shown that theological knowledge is a good foundation for sorting it all nearly out! But being lazy at times and not Communing with The HolyGhost can lead to some very funny places in Christianity, but nevertheless why work something out that was resolved two thousand years ago or there abouts! PPS. Most of my foundation knowledge came from my Sunday School Teachers, not so easily acquired there in Church these days, how about you folks? University was very good when it came to qualifying in the skill of knowing where to go to find the answers but not so good in finding Jesus or Trinity!!! Edited by Colin2000, Tuesday, 7. December 2010, 02:55.
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| PJD | Tuesday, 7. December 2010, 09:53 Post #62 |
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"I read the parable as an analogy for how God treats mankind and therefore as much an example of his justice (towards both sons) as of his mercy to the penitent prodigal (doubtless available to the elder too, whom he tries to draw in, but the narrative ends before we learn how he decides to behave). " Slightly off-beat OsB, I read this also as indicating that :"God has Choices". PJD |
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| GonQPat | Tuesday, 7. December 2010, 10:28 Post #63 |
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Hello Anne-Marie The Catholic Church has a fair number of Orders, such as the Dominicans and Franciscans. Also, the Second Vatican Council has highlighted the idea of the universal call to holiness. So, I suppose that each Order invites a certain style of nurturing one's candle-flame of faith. I presume then, that a style that would appeal to you is that of Saint Theresa of Liseaux? Also, I suppose that each person will adopt their own preferred style. However, faith seeking persons approached people like Saint Isaac of Nineveh for spiritual guidance. I should think that those people had many questions for which they were searching for answers. Perhaps, Saint Isaac would have invited the approach offered by theologians to answer those questions. I suppose then, that one's personal style of nurturing one's faith might, but need not, embrace theology. Patrick Q Gonsalves |
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| GonQPat | Tuesday, 7. December 2010, 10:30 Post #64 |
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Hello Anne-Marie I have an afterthought on an earlier post. My Bible punching brother said to me that, 'What the Catholic Church teaches is not what is taught in the Bible.' Perhaps, in an attempt to offer a sensible response to that questionable comment, I sniffed through theology books. Ultimately, my response to that comment was published as two books, which are listed on my web-site. Perhaps then, you did not have the good fortune of having a piece of silly slogan tossing tossed at you. Then, of course, the style offered by Saint Theresa of Liseaux, for example, is quite acceptable. Patrick Q Gonsalves |
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| OsullivanB | Tuesday, 7. December 2010, 10:31 Post #65 |
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I don't follow, but it sounds interesting. |
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| PJD | Tuesday, 7. December 2010, 19:19 Post #66 |
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"I don't follow, but it sounds interesting." It is quite interesting; but a fuller explanation would take too long at this junction. Point is that God chose to present that parable in that particular way. And some regard it as a puzzle (reflections thereon that is). My off-beat perceptual connection to this is my own. (Aquinas would refer one to what is called the Secrets of the Counsels of God/Aureoles of Sainthood.) PJD |
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| GonQPat | Wednesday, 8. December 2010, 09:57 Post #67 |
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Hello Penfold2 In the passages from the prophets, I look at God's wrath with astonishment and disbelief. I am no Scriptural scholar, nor do I have the charism of exegesis. But, I do believe that readers approach the Scriptural imagery from the wrong perspective. I am inclined to think of a frame of reference, and an associated vision. So, a person who is irreligious, or who has not experienced an ongoing conversion, will see only God's wrath. But, a person who has embraced religion will see God's compassion. And that person might also look at God's wrath with astonishment, disbelief, and perhaps also reverential fear. In the Scriptural passages that I have read, the strands of compassion and wrath are interwoven into a single yarn. So, one's vision should include both strands. Yes, in ones exposition, one might separate the strands. But, then one's vision should be a coherent one, which includes both strands. Patrick Q Gonsalves |
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| GonQPat | Wednesday, 8. December 2010, 09:59 Post #68 |
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Hello Penfold2 I have an afterthought on an earlier post. In the passages from the prophets, I look at God's wrath with astonishment and disbelief. But, in the background, behind those passages, I hear, 'The Lord God said to the serpent. "Because you have done this, cursed are you among all animals ... I will put enmity between you and the woman"' (Gen 3:14). So, God's subjects, God's creation, is fundamentally good. But, out of disobedience and spite, Satan has tempted mankind to join him in his disobedience. So yes, one can expect God to be exasperated (and angry); but also compassionate towards His subjects when they have succumbed to Satan's temptations. And yes, because God has chosen to redeem mankind, His compassion is overwhelming. And again, the strands of God's wrath and His compassion are interwoven into a single vision. Patrick Q Gonsalves |
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| GonQPat | Wednesday, 8. December 2010, 10:00 Post #69 |
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Hello Penfold2 I have an afterthought on an earlier post. We are living in a society in which corruption and cheating are widespread. I presume that the seeds of that corruption were planted in our childhood. So, when I look at the Catholic Church, then what comes to mind, is an amusing quote which reads as follows: 'Every member of a church is a pillar of the church. There are one or two concrete pillars which support the roof, the rest are caterpillars which crawl in and out.' Yes, I am most definitely a caterpillar, but I have made an attempt to focus my attention on one or two concrete pillars. Now, a catechist is facing a class of young school children, most of whom have not been exposed to religion. Yes, one or two of them have religious parents who have attempted to plant the seed of religion in them. But, they are the exception. Now, the catechist might choose to use film industry shock tactics to attempt to persuade the irreligious children that there is an afterlife. Unfortunately, those shock tactics might just scare the wits out of the more religious children. Perhaps, the approach that the catechist had used was not right, but they were also faced with an enormous project, which was to plant the seed of religion in a class of primarily irreligious children. Phew! Where does one begin with such a project? Patrick Q Gonsalves |
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| PJD | Wednesday, 8. December 2010, 11:14 Post #70 |
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"Phew! Where does one begin with such a project?" One teaches the catechist! That whilst academic knowledge has its place, spiritual understanding is of a higher order. Both St.Teresa and St. Therese often indicated that they wished their knowledge was better developed; yet their undestanding which came from the Spirit was sufficient to over-ride and compensate, and enabled us to benefit from their writings. [The use of film industry shock tactics is not to be decried in my opinion] PJD |
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| tomais | Wednesday, 8. December 2010, 11:48 Post #71 |
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" God" is unjust; First Minister Scotland this morning as the road grid lock here was due to an ACT of GOD! I heard him say this. Hmm must look up Acts again. |
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| OsullivanB | Wednesday, 8. December 2010, 13:50 Post #72 |
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Respite was said to be found in the Isle of Malta, possibly a textual corruption of "the Malt of Islay". |
| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| tomais | Wednesday, 8. December 2010, 15:46 Post #73 |
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10 out of 10 O'B ! Good Health, as is the translation! |
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| K.T.B. | Saturday, 11. December 2010, 22:33 Post #74 |
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Could you expand on this, please Patrick, so I can understand your comment? |
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| PJD | Sunday, 12. December 2010, 13:48 Post #75 |
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For a number of days both the sun and the stars were invisible and the storm raged unabated until at last we gave up all hope of surviving.Respite was said to be found in the Isle of Malta, possibly a textual corruption of "the Malt of Islay". Respite was said to be found in the Isle of Malta, possibly a textual corruption of "the Malt of Islay". 10 out of 10 O'B ! Good Health, as is the translation! Sorry to appear to be a dim-wit; but all this is double dutch to me. [smile] PJD Edited by PJD, Sunday, 12. December 2010, 13:51.
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