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Requirements for theological knowledge
Topic Started: Monday, 29. November 2010, 19:34 (1,193 Views)
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Patrick
Saturday, 4. December 2010, 22:00
Far better than the wishy-washy luvvy-duvvy mush that converts and schoolchildren get fed today.
I'd like some clarification about this comment, please, Patrick.
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Derekap
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Patrick:

"Far better than the that converts and schoolchildren get fed today."

I remember shortly before and after WW2 our parishes had 'Missions'. Jesuits, Redemtorists or Franciscans used to come for about two weeks and preached at all Sunday Holy Masses and every weekday Evenings and visited families in the parishes. The Franciscans were more popular because their message was more friendly. I think it was the Redemtorists who tended to leave you almost without hope of Salvation.

I don't support 'wishy-washy luvvy-duvvy mush' but neither do I support severe threats of hopeless Damnation and Hellfire. God is Love and Merciful.

Edited by Derekap, Monday, 6. December 2010, 17:44.
Derekap
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KatyA

God is Love and merciful - but He is also just
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Rose of York
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Derekap
Monday, 6. December 2010, 17:43
I remember shortly before and after WW2 our parishes had 'Missions'. Jesuits, Redemtorists or Franciscans used to come for about two weeks and preached at all Sunday Holy Masses and every weekday Evenings and visited families in the parishes. The Franciscans were more popular because their message was more friendly. I think it was the Redemtorists who tended to leave you almost without hope of Salvation.

I don't support 'wishy-washy luvvy-duvvy mush' but neither do I support severe threats of hopeless Damnation and Hellfire. God is Love and Merciful.

During missions the visiting priests also used to say Mass for the school. The Redemtorists were well known for telling schoolchildren, at a weekday Mass, the story of a boy who died at a boarding school. At his funeral, before the Mass began, he appeared, said to the other boys "I am in hell for all eternity", touched his coffin, it caught fire. The boy screamed as the apparition of his body was ungulfed in flames. When the fire went out there was a pile of ashes but the screams could still be heard We children believed it! We were scared stiff, having been warned. I told my parents. They reassured me, said a boarding school boy would be buried in his parish, not from the school chapel, and the pupils would have been taken out of the building if there was a fire.
Keep the Faith!

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PJD

That was quite disgusting Rose. But like Derek I remember the Jesuits coming with their hard hitting sermons; nothing like that though - my parents would have gone bonkers.

PJD
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Gerard

Ahhh the good old days.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Gerard

KatyA
Monday, 6. December 2010, 18:05
God is Love and merciful - but He is also just
I have the impression that God's justice is nothing like our justice.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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OsullivanB

Was the father of the prodigal son just?
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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pete

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Was the father of the prodigal son just?

It depends from which angle you look at it. I don’t think his brother was much chuffed about it, and if we all placed ourselves in his position, to be perfectly honest none of us would be thrilled about it either. As this is a parable, I wonder if Jesus started by “Once upon a time”
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Thoughts of God and does he pray:
Even in time of his anger He remembers mercy, declares the Talmud. (Pes 87b) ; and He is actually depicted as praying to himself that is compassion should overcome His wrath. This thought gave rise to the bold flight of imagination contained in the following passage: ' R. Jochanan said in the name of R. Jos'e: Whwnce it is known that the Holy one, blessed be He, prays? As it has been said, "Even them will I bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer (Is. Lvi. 7). It is notsaid "thier prayer" but "my prayer"; hence we infer that the Holy One, blessed be He, prays. What does he pray? R.Zotrab. Tobia said in th name of Rab: "May it be My will that my mercy may subdue my wrath; and My mercy prevail over my attribute of justice, so that I may deal with My children in the quality of mercy and enter on their behalf within the line of strict justice.


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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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pete
Monday, 6. December 2010, 22:28
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Was the father of the prodigal son just?

It depends from which angle you look at it. I don’t think his brother was much chuffed about it, and if we all placed ourselves in his position, to be perfectly honest none of us would be thrilled about it either. As this is a parable, I wonder if Jesus started by “Once upon a time”
Sorry, I don't understand any of this.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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KatyA
Monday, 6. December 2010, 18:05
God is Love and merciful - but He is also just
We know little about how "hard" God is with his justice. Do we know whether, at death, we see God, become aware of the depth of his love for each one of us as individuals and have the opportunity to repent finally of any misdeeds for which we did not repent during life? If so only a nutcase would turn their back on him.

I am encouraged by this from the Monday night Compline.

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Psalm 85 (86)
A poor man's prayer in time of trouble
You, Lord God, are slow to anger, abounding in love.
Keep the Faith!

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"Was the father of the prodigal son just? "

It is not whether he was "just" or not. Of course there is justice and he may haved erred by justice, do you wish to be judged according to justice, or God's mercy? That is the point, do we forgive as God wishes to forgive, or do we go with an earthly way of justice?

I personally wish to trust eternity to God's mercy
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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OsullivanB

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It is not whether he was "just" or not.
I read the parable as an analogy for how God treats mankind and therefore as much an example of his justice (towards both sons) as of his mercy to the penitent prodigal (doubtless available to the elder too, whom he tries to draw in, but the narrative ends before we learn how he decides to behave).
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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I always thought vengeance, retribution, mercy and compassion are influences applied to action taken after judgement has been made whereas justice ensures that the judgement is impartial and the action appropriate not influenced by emotion or sentiment. (Sorry maybe I should raise this in another thread but it would seem that some knowledge of what is meant by "God is Just" is covered in possible requirements for theological study.
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