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Adoptions Of Children - SORS
Topic Started: Monday, 23. August 2010, 20:13 (273 Views)
Mairtin
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Note to Moderators: I'm aware that this discussion has meandered a long way from SORS but I think the various points are important and hopefully interesting to other people. I for one am quite happy for it to be split into a separate thread.
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Moved to "Turning The Other Cheek" thread
Edited by Mairtin, Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 18:42.
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Clare
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Mairtin
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:13
Clare
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:05
Mairtin
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 15:48
Clare
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 14:50
Our Lord took Genesis literally you know.
Where did He say that the Creation took place over 6x24 hour days?
Where did He say it didn't?
So we're back to this nonsense of making arguments on the basis of things He didn't say :rolleyes:
You asked first, Mairtin! You asked where Our Lord said that Creation took place in 6 days, implying that He didn't, and therefore it didn't!

And it was you who pointed out that Our Lord said nothing about homosexual sex being wrong, and that He said very little about sex at all anyway.

So, I don't see why you have a problem with this line of reasoning!
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Mairtin
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:30
Note to Moderators: I'm aware that this discussion has meandered a long way from SORS but I think the various points are important and hopefully interesting to other people. I for one am quite happy for it to be split into a separate thread.
Splitting topics is time consuming, it needs to be done one page at a time, selecting which posts to split and which to leave. Once split, the moderator ends up with three separate threads that then need to be combined. It is time consuming.

May I suggest you both start another thread, taking turns to make your posts again, or alternatively starting again from scratch?
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Mairtin
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:44
Clare
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:04
If a man steals your coat, are you commanded to give him your cloak as well?

No, of course not.
How do you come to the conclusion "of course not."?
Common sense, Mairtin, and the fact that the Church does not say we must.

Good grief. Am I the only person here who believes that one is not obliged to give one's cloak to someone who steals one's coat?? Come on!

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My starting point with anything said directly by Jesus is that He meant what He said unless He is very clearly telling a parable or unless He has explicitly said something else that throws a different slant on that particular statement. He wasn't telling a parable in this instance...


Chop off your hand and pluck out your eye if they cause you to sin?? That's not a parable either.

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Can you explain why you actually think we should not take His words as a direct command?


As I've already said. Common sense and Church teaching.

Now, will you tell me what one ought to do after one has been punched on the cheek, turned the other, and been punched on that one as well? Maybe that's the time for fisticuffs!
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Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 17:22
Mairtin
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:30
Note to Moderators: I'm aware that this discussion has meandered a long way from SORS but I think the various points are important and hopefully interesting to other people. I for one am quite happy for it to be split into a separate thread.
Splitting topics is time consuming, it needs to be done one page at a time, selecting which posts to split and which to leave. Once split, the moderator ends up with three separate threads that then need to be combined. It is time consuming.

May I suggest you both start another thread, taking turns to make your posts again, or alternatively starting again from scratch?
Ok. But I'm about to dish up dinner, so it'll have to wait.
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Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 17:21
You asked first, Mairtin! You asked where Our Lord said that Creation took place in 6 days, implying that He didn't, and therefore it didn't!
Clare, as I've said before, I wish you'd deal with what I say rather than what you imagine I might be implying.

I've said nothing about the views of Jesus on taking the Creation story literally because as far as I am aware, He said nothing to indicate His views either way.

You, on the other hand, specifically said "Our Lord took Genesis literally you know". That is a positive assertion and I'm simply asking you to back it up with something He said on the matter.
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Mairtin
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 17:49
Clare
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 17:21
You asked first, Mairtin! You asked where Our Lord said that Creation took place in 6 days, implying that He didn't, and therefore it didn't!
Clare, as I've said before, I wish you'd deal with what I say rather than what you imagine I might be implying.

I've said nothing about the views of Jesus on taking the Creation story literally because as far as I am aware, He said nothing to indicate His views either way.

You, on the other hand, specifically said "Our Lord took Genesis literally you know". That is a positive assertion and I'm simply asking you to back it up with something He said on the matter.
There's more to Genesis than the Hexaemeron, Mairtin. So, while Our Lord may not have mentioned the six days, He certainly did make other references to Genesis:

Matthew 19:4
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Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female?


From the beginning, ie, not several million years after the beginning.

Matthew 24:37-39
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And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noe entered into the ark, And they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be

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Moved to "Turning The Other Cheek" thread.
Edited by Mairtin, Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 18:45.
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I have started this thread on the topic of turning the other cheek.
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Moved to new thead on "Genesis - the Literal Truth?"

Edited by Mairtin, Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 19:30.
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Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 17:22
Mairtin
Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:30
Note to Moderators: I'm aware that this discussion has meandered a long way from SORS but I think the various points are important and hopefully interesting to other people. I for one am quite happy for it to be split into a separate thread.
Splitting topics is time consuming, it needs to be done one page at a time, selecting which posts to split and which to leave. Once split, the moderator ends up with three separate threads that then need to be combined. It is time consuming.

May I suggest you both start another thread, taking turns to make your posts again, or alternatively starting again from scratch?


*********************************************Two new topics have been opened.
Genesis; The Literal Truth?
http://s10.zetaboards.com/Catholic_CyberForum/topic/7287322/1/

and
Turning the other cheek; is it obligatory, no ifs, no buts?
http://s10.zetaboards.com/Catholic_CyberForum/topic/7287287/1/

Now this one can stay :ontopic: :pl:
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