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| Clare | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 10:41 Post #16 |
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Hang about! Mairtin wrote:
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| Clare | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 10:42 Post #17 |
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Mairtin, The canon of Scripture was not settled for nearly four centuries. |
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 10:52 Post #18 |
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So where did He give anybody the right to tie a millstone around somebody else's neck? Or the right to pluck out somebody else's eye? Or cut off somebody else's hand?
I certainly see that as my Christian duty and the fact that I would probably fail to do so is a reflection of my failings as a Christian rather than any flaw in the teaching.
You seem to be confusing me with somebody else these days, Clare, I'm not aware of myself ever using facetious arguments like that in regard to our Faith. |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 14:28 Post #19 |
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Thing is, we don't have the right to pluck out our own eyes or cut off our own hands (unless they are diseased, and it's generally better to get a surgeon to do it in which case!) But that wasn't my point earlier. My point was, Our Lord asks us to turn the other cheek. For a start, it is not a commandment. Also, it does not apply to what one should do when somebody else is being assaulted. And as Saundthorp (I think) pointed out (and, yes, this is again something Our Lord "didn't do" so you'll probably disregard it), He did not condemn the centurion for his career. Turning the other cheek is something one personally ought to do. It is not something that nations and armies do. |
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 14:30 Post #20 |
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Yet again I am intrigued by the contrast between you insisting that we should take the Old Testament literally but that we can dismiss the direct words of Jesus. |
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 14:34 Post #21 |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 14:38 Post #22 |
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Do you think we are obliged to be hit on both cheeks? Do you think we are obliged to give our tunics to anyone who takes out coats? Of course they're not commandments. |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 14:42 Post #23 |
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As I have said, I am sticking with the Church's interpretation. Even though Our Lord explicitly says to cut off my hand if it makes me sin, I feel I am not utterly out of line if I refrain from cutting off my hand when it causes me to sin. |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 14:45 Post #24 |
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Douay footnote: "Not to resist evil"... What is here commanded, is a Christian patience under injuries and affronts, and to be willing even to suffer still more, rather than to indulge the desire of revenge: but what is further added does not strictly oblige according to the letter, for neither did Christ nor St. Paul turn the other cheek. St. John 18., and Acts 23. |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 14:50 Post #25 |
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No, Mairtin. I just know the difference between what is to be taken literally and what isn't. Our Lord took Genesis literally you know. |
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 15:43 Post #26 |
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That's a first for you, in all my years as a Catholic, I've never ever heard anyone suggest that when Jesus said what we should and should not do, that he was only asking, not commanding. |
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 15:48 Post #27 |
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Where did He say that the Creation took place over 6x24 hour days? |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:04 Post #28 |
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So, was He commanding us to pluck out our eyes when we sin using them then? I'll ask again. If a man steals your coat, are you commanded to give him your cloak as well? No, of course not. Of course, giving him your cloak would be virtuous, and like heaping coals on his head I guess. But it is manifestly not a commandment! |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:05 Post #29 |
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Where did He say it didn't? |
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 16:13 Post #30 |
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So we're back to this nonsense of making arguments on the basis of things He didn't say
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